2017 AR pistol thread (master)

[jlist]

yes. The first photo is SBR, which in California is illegal. faux suppressors (or any barrel extension for that matter) need to be permanently affixed to be considered part of the barrel length...
The second photo, assuming the faux suppressor is just threaded on and not pinned or welded, is STILL an SBR.

Thanks for the confirmation. Yeah, it looked "dangerous" to me, LOL.

[dozer wright]

yes. The first photo is SBR, which in California is illegal. faux suppressors (or any barrel extension for that matter) need to be permanently affixed to be considered part of the barrel length...
The second photo, assuming the faux suppressor is just threaded on and not pinned or welded, is STILL an SBR.

I was wondering would the over all length without the Fake Silencer put your Non carbine in the other category of firearms not a pistol not a rifle.

[solipsism]

I'm over all the drama trying to be legal. I'm converting all my pistols to featureless carbines. Adding 9" suppressor (non-functioning) and fixed stock

So you just went ahead and made an SBR, violated federal and state laws, and posted pictures of it here instead.

[LordHelmet]

I'm trying to figure out the point of this thread. Are you discussing build options for building a AR Pistol that requires registration as 'assault weapon' or one that does not?

If you are building an 'assault weapon', i was just reading through SB 880' an noticed on section 2 it said :

"This bill would require that any person who, from Jan 1 2001 to Dec 31, 2016, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, as defined, and including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, register the firearm with the DOJ before 7/1/2017"

That's next Saturday. If I fall into this category am I screwing myself by not registering it?

Here is what I have:

I bought a stripped lower last year and built a AR pistol
I also built a AR pistol from an 80%

So that is (2) Pistols.

[dyson]

Check out the aw registration thread, the doj needs to create the registration regulations first

[knowran]

Okay, so lets say I have an SSE2 bullet button pistol I bought last year and converted it to semi auto prior to 1/1/17. I got a fancy new semi auto upper this year. Can I replace my current upper with this new one?

[Gun Nerd]

Okay, so lets say I have an SSE2 bullet button pistol I bought last year and converted it to semi auto prior to 1/1/17. I got a fancy new semi auto upper this year. Can I replace my current upper with this new one?

How would anybody but you know when you bought the upper? With that said you can say you had the upper last year.

[Gun Nerd]

That's my take with the 80's as well.. who's to say you built it yesterday, or 10yrs ago, but you.

[Run300Blackout]

I'm trying to figure out the point of this thread. Are you discussing build options for building a AR Pistol that requires registration as 'assault weapon' or one that does not?

If you are building an 'assault weapon', i was just reading through SB 880' an noticed on section 2 it said :

"This bill would require that any person who, from Jan 1 2001 to Dec 31, 2016, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, as defined, and including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, register the firearm with the DOJ before 7/1/2017"

That's next Saturday. If I fall into this category am I screwing myself by not registering it?

Here is what I have:

I bought a stripped lower last year and built a AR pistol
I also built a AR pistol from an 80%

So that is (2) Pistols.

Did you DROS this stripped lower as a rifle? If so you cant legally build an AR pistol with that lower

[flavor]

Does the OAL include the Shockwave Blade placed at any position count?

[Laurence927]

Does the OAL include the Shockwave Blade placed at any position count?

DO NOT take my word for it, but my LGS told me it's from the end of the buffer tube to the end of the barrel. I do not believe the flash hider, break, comp, etc. counts for the OAL. Again, do not take my word on this, my LGS just helped me assemble my AR pistol upper.

[flavor]

That sounds like the safest way to measure it

[Cokebottle]

DO NOT take my word for it, but my LGS told me it's from the end of the buffer tube to the end of the barrel. I do not believe the flash hider, break, comp, etc. counts for the OAL. Again, do not take my word on this, my LGS just helped me assemble my AR pistol upper.

California measures in the shortest permanent condition, which, in the case of an AR, would be the buffer tube, since some stocks end up nearly flush with the buffer tube, BUT, the buffer tube is not specified in code.

Permanence is required to avoid SBR status, which would be 26" OAL and barrel 16" minimum.
30" avoids AW status, however, permanence is not (under current law) required to avoid AW status (IWI Tavor with a fake can is >30", legal in CA, remove the can and it is >26", legal federally)

So as long as you are 26" from the permanent end of the barrel to the end of the buffer tube, you would be legal federally. With an A1/A2 buttstock mounted to the buffer, you would avoid AW status at 30"

In actual practice?



14.5" barrel, Smith Vortex pinned and welded barrel = 16.5"
OAL to the end of the buffer tube is 30.25"

If your barrel is legal for a rifle, you avoid AW status with a Mil buffer.

Pistol build, with a Mil buffer, you've got 4" to play with on the barrel (12.5") and you're still over 26" to avoid dropping into the Federal pistol category (which only matters if you want a VFG).

[flavor]

So from what I understand, if I wanted to count the Shockwave Blade, it has to be "permanently" attached. So that means I have to put it somewhere where the OAL would be >26", and destroy the screw hole so it could no longer be removed with a tool?

[Cokebottle]

So from what I understand, if I wanted to count the Shockwave Blade, it has to be "permanently" attached. So that means I have to put it somewhere where the OAL would be >26", and destroy the screw hole so it could no longer be removed with a tool?

Not for a pistol... only for a rifle or "Other" build.

There is no minimum OAL for a pistol build other than to meet dimensional compliance for SSE, and that is not required to be permanent.