San Joaquin

[DRAB_81]

I will still try for an application. If denied, I will go through the hoops and escalate it to the sheriff, even if its a list cause. You can fight something with words, it takes documentation.

While I want this to protect myself and my family in these crazy cities, I really want the price of mind of not being arrested for carrying when my wife and i are backpacking, cause I'm going to carry then no matter what. There are too many tweakers out there too and NO law enforcement response worth even trying to time.

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I truly wish you the best of luck, but don't get your hopes up. Count on paying LPD whatever they charge to apply, and get denied. Then you can pay Sherriff Moore $119 to get denied. Then you can pay more to appeal, and get denied again.


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[Purple K]

Actually, recently passed legislation (ab610?) requires that they give a reason for the denial in writing.

[GrizFyrFyter]

I truly wish you the best of luck, but don't get your hopes up. Count on paying LPD whatever they charge to apply, and get denied. Then you can pay Sherriff Moore $119 to get denied. Then you can pay more to appeal, and get denied again.


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I dont have high hopes, but i dont have to do the life scan multiple times.

Actually, recently passed legislation (ab610?) requires that they give a reason for the denial in writing.

From what I understand, law requires them to make a timely decision also (90 days?) And they have failed that many times in the past.


The truth is, I'm looking forward to getting out of Lodi and Stockton and this whole county. My brother in law got his CCW in tuolumne county, process took 2 weeks.


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[DRAB_81]

I dont have high hopes, but i dont have to do the life scan multiple times.

As much as I hate to say it, it's still a waste of time and money at this point.

[GrizFyrFyter]

As much as I hate to say it, it's still a waste of time and money at this point.

Possibly, but if we just give up and don't try, they win.

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[DRAB_81]

Possibly, but if we just give up and don't try, they win.

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We DID try, and they DID win. Absolutely nothing has changed since I received my denial letter (3/3/2011). We all beat our heads against that wall over a year ago, not knowing 100% what the outcome would be. Now that we know the outcome, why would we keep going the same route? We aren't quitting, but throwing another $119 @ Moore isn't going to help. I'm just trying to save you the same frustration we all experienced back in 2010/2011.

[GrizFyrFyter]

We DID try, and they DID win. Absolutely nothing has changed since I received my denial letter (3/3/2011). We all beat our heads against that wall over a year ago, not knowing 100% what the outcome would be. Now that we know the outcome, why would we keep going the same route? We aren't quitting, but throwing another $119 @ Moore isn't going to help. I'm just trying to save you the same frustration we all experienced back in 2010/2011.

I'm not saying the guys that have tried are wrong for not trying again. I appreciate the effort in helping me out. I'll put the money towards a rifke ;-)

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[Falstaff]

What amount of money would it take to get CGF to file suit on Sheriff Moore on grounds that he is only issuing to wealthy donors, wealthy farmers and corrupt city managers?

I'd be in for $1,000.00 personally. If there were say, 200 San Joaquin residents in at $100, would that be enough??

I know a guy who came here illegally, then became a citizen somehow; owns a car repair business and was a licensed bounty hunter; HE has a CCW still today...
But most natural born citizens cannot get one...

let's roll!

[GrizFyrFyter]

What amount of money would it take to get CGF to file suit on Sheriff Moore on grounds that he is only issuing to wealthy donors, wealthy farmers and corrupt city managers?

I'd be in for $1,000.00 personally. If there were say, 200 San Joaquin residents in at $100, would that be enough??

I know a guy who came here illegally, then became a citizen somehow; owns a car repair business and was a licensed bounty hunter; HE has a CCW still today...
But most natural born citizens cannot get one...

let's roll!

I'd drop $100 for that. Or move to Elk Grove

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[CpuFixrMan]

If you look at http://calgunsfoundation.org/resourc...n-joaquin.html you can see how many people (a whopping 7), besides myself, have donated towards this cause. I'd be in for another $100, if we had some support from residents. I've pretty much written this off until there is a sheriff change, or a material change in CA law.

[advocatusdiaboli]

I'm obviously not one of the guys that started this, but my guess is that it will be at a dead end until election time. Even then, there's no guarantee of change. Considering all the other counties that have been sued & beaten, while absolutely nothing has improved here in SJ County, I'm guessing Moore has enough ducks in a row to keep us from getting what we want. We're basically surrounded by issuing counties (and cities, for example Galt & Ripon), and yet we've made zero headway to speak of. Taking all that into consideration, and the current fight against SB249, unfortunately there are more pressing issues than LTC's in this county. I'm not saying they're picking the wrong battles, it just is what it is.

That fairly accurately sums up my assessment. Since this is on the back burner and I have a fixed budget for firearms activism through donations, I have been diverting it towards other causes and organizations that have more urgency for now. We have some key legal cases and we have onerous SBs popping up like mushrooms after a Spring rain. The antis are trying to test both our will and budgets. I'll re-balance my contributions once CCW in my home county moves to the forefront again. For me, state and federal rights take precedence over SJC CCW for now even though I am saddened that a right can be infringed locally without consequence. Their day will come.

[GrizFyrFyter]

Seeing that I am not a homeowner right now, I may just move out of the county. Lodi is OK but I miss the mountains. I should have gotten my ccw when I was in tuolumne county, when I didn't feel I needed it.

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[CpuFixrMan]

Seeing that I am not a homeowner right now, I may just move out of the county. Lodi is OK but I miss the mountains. I should have gotten my ccw when I was in tuolumne county, when I didn't feel I needed it.

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The problem with that is, if you had moved into SJC after getting it somewhere else, you would've had it taken away by the current sheriff.

[oldwilly51]

What amount of money would it take to get CGF to file suit on Sheriff Moore on grounds that he is only issuing to wealthy donors, wealthy farmers and corrupt city managers?

I'd be in for $1,000.00 personally. If there were say, 200 San Joaquin residents in at $100, would that be enough??

I know a guy who came here illegally, then became a citizen somehow; owns a car repair business and was a licensed bounty hunter; HE has a CCW still today...
But most natural born citizens cannot get one...

let's roll!

I would like to know the $ amount it would take also? I donated to the cause about a year ago and would be up for more if something can be done to further the cause.

[projekt1]

CCW for Federal LEO likely or not?

Agency recently made policy that prohibits carrying our creds when off duty and not authorized to off carry (obviously). I know HR218 (LEOSA) applies but don't want to violate policy so looking for CCW. I reside in Stockton.