Sacramento

[VL221]

That is a huge deal breaker if that really is true. I have 2 SSE gun I was planning to use on my permit.

[typhun]

can someone explain exactly what SSE means in terms of getting gun(s) on permit for Sac County. Does it mean that a gun purchased in CA using the SSE exemption before 1/1/15 cant be added any longer to a permit in Sac County? What about guns that were purchase through PPT but were not on roster at the time of purchase?

[Dvrjon]

can someone explain exactly what SSE means in terms of getting gun(s) on permit for Sac County. Does it mean that a gun purchased in CA using the SSE exemption before 1/1/15 cant be added any longer to a permit in Sac County?

This is all very new, and there is no policy documentation to clarify the information on the web application. However, the statement is provided in Post 3490 seems clear.

Be sure that each firearm you are listing on your Concealed Carry Weapon license is registered to you or your spouse/registered domestic partner. The firearm cannot be registered to any other family member. The firearm also cannot be registered as a “single shot".

When a gun was bought under the Single Shot Exemption, it had to be....single shot; Not semi-automatic. So, the guns were altered to be able to fire only a single shot without manually reloading. When initially purchased, the FFL DROSed the gun as a single shot, usually in a lower caliber as originally designed. Upon clearing DROS and picking up the gun, the owner could then ask the FFL to reinstall the original pieces of the gun to his new property. The gun was then a semi-automatic in its designed state and caliber.

Until now, the Sac Sheriff had not held a policy against such guns (nor were any guns required to be registered to you). Although on your license as a .45 semiautomatic, the state registration would show it as registered to you as a single shot. The new website has a statement that CCW guns can no longer be registered to you as "single shot". That not only eliminates Thompson Contenders, it eliminates the SSE weapon.

What about guns that were purchase through PPT but were not on roster at the time of purchase?

Those aren't SSE transactions. SSE did not affect PPT transfers; only FFL transfers to individuals. Once the gun was brought back to factory specifications, the owner could PPT to someone else, and that registration would indicate the proper caliber and the semi-auto nature of the gun.

This is all going to be an interesting learning experience.

[General]

Add two more!?
Cool!

[typhun]

Dvrjon, thanks for the info.

So to change it from SSE to semi- auto registered i could do what? Somehow re-register the gun to myself which i haven't heard of. I suppose I could transfer it to an immediate family member, then transfer it back but not sure how that would affect the status of being on my permit currently.

Your right its going to get interesting.

[inoii]

quick question is the department on Hurley the place for interviews?

[Dvrjon]

quick question is the department on Hurley the place for interviews?

Yes.

[2k1typeSH]

Timeline

9/1/16 Scheduled appointment
10/31/16 Initial appointment/interview
12/15/16 Approval
12/16/16 Livescan

[CalAlumnus]

Dvrjon, thanks for the info.

So to change it from SSE to semi- auto registered i could do what? Somehow re-register the gun to myself which i haven't heard of. I suppose I could transfer it to an immediate family member, then transfer it back but not sure how that would affect the status of being on my permit currently.

Your right its going to get interesting.

I think folks in San Bernardino County had this issue and developed a process. They worked out deals with certain pawn shops where you'd pawn the SSE gun, and then immediately get it back. There may have been a 10 day wait involved, not sure. The DROS involved in pawning the gun resulted in the registration being updated to Semi.

Perhaps someone can find posts describing the process...

[Dvrjon]

I think folks in San Bernardino County had this issue and developed a process. They worked out deals with certain pawn shops where you'd pawn the SSE gun, and then immediately get it back. There may have been a 10 day wait involved, not sure. The DROS involved in pawning the gun resulted in the registration being updated to Semi.

Perhaps someone can find posts describing the process...

This? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=951274

[CalAlumnus]

This? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=951274

Sure is. Will that solve this problem?

If so, does anyone have a relationship with a Sac County gun store or pawn shop? Would be great to have a go-to place that understands what needs to happen and why.

[KahrMan]

Just heard Sheriff Scott Jones on the radio talking about the new online process.
Apparently we will be able to do modifications and re-issues online (forgive me if that is wrong). He also said that the new plastic license will allow up to five firearms. Got no other details from the short interview with him.

Glad to have Scott for our Sheriff...Yahoooooo off for to look for a 380 or Baby Glock (yes I like them. Too).

[Dvrjon]

Some impressions of the new system:

It's a good start, but will require relearning stuff.

-5 guns instead of 3 (That indicates a credit card license, v. rice paper which was folded and laminated.)
-Mostly automated: looks like a simple pickup appointment is the goal
--Documents (training; DD214; Ca DL; Proof of Residence, etc.), are uploadable, if you have the ability.
-Payment is through online credit card with additional fees
--(Holders of previously-required Money Orders may have problems).
-Appears to allow changes to guns as modifications
-Guns must be registered to you or spouse/dom partner
-Guns cannot be registered as "single shot" (that seems to eliminate SSE guns)
-Past residence dates are dd/mm/yyyy, as are most dates. Length of residence (and others) are required as both years and months.
-There is no stated limit to the timeline for residences, i.e.: 5 years; 10 years, etc. It may require a bunch of detail on residences.
-Proof of residence is to be within 30 days, but the application does not indicate 30 days from application or 30 days from appointment.

-The past system allowed renewals to be scheduled 60 days prior to expiration. The new system says:

If the applicant is RENEWING a Concealed Carry Weapon license in Sacramento County, they may not apply until 30 days before the expiration date listed on their current Concealed Carry Weapon license.

THERE IS NO ABILITY TO SAVE INFORMATION AND RETURN TO THE APPLICATION AT A LATER TIME (confirmed by vendor), SO HAVE ALL YOUR STUFF READY BEFORE YOU BEGIN. If you leave the application, you will lose all info that you have input.

There is no policy document to accompany the change.

This will take a while to sort out, but overall seems on the right track.

[CalAlumnus]

Below is the press release announcing the new system. It looks like the permits will indeed be hard plastic cards with photos, and that renewals will be completed entirely online.

I wonder how they'll facilitate getting photos for renewals who currently have a rice paper permit. Can they access the DMV photo, or we need to schedule an appointment?

http://www.sacsheriff.com/media/Release.aspx?id=1602

Commencing immediately, with full execution starting in January 2017, the Sheriff’s Department will be implementing several modifications to the CCW permit process to make it more user-friendly, cost effective, and to reduce the amount of time that the permitting process currently takes. The most conspicuous changes to the protocol are the following:

Greater Online Capabilities
The applicant will now submit initial paperwork and payment online through a web-based application. This will result in reduced workload for staff, fewer chances for missing or incorrect data, and increased internal efficiencies in reviewing the files. Additionally, applicants will only be required to have one office visit during their application process instead of two. Finally, applicants will be able to monitor the progress of their application online.

In a significant enhancement, CCW renewals and modifications will now be facilitated entirely online, relieving a burden on permit holders and eliminating the need for several thousand in-person appointments per year.

New ID Card
CCW permit holders will now be issued a hard plastic card that will be easily identifiable as a Sacramento County Sheriff’s Department CCW permit. The new permit will also have the holder’s photograph prominently displayed, increasing both durability and security of the permit.

Modifications to How Payments are Handled
Fees for the CCW applicant will now be taken entirely online, and at the start of the process. This not only allows greater flexibility for the applicant (who no longer has to obtain a money order), but it allows the Sheriff’s Department to start the lengthy process of obtaining clearance from the California Department of Justice at the very beginning of the process while our other internal process are underway, to reduce the time of approval and issuance by weeks or even months. If the permit is ultimately denied, a portion of the fees will be refunded.

Increase in the Number of Permitted Firearms
The number of firearms an applicant or permit holder can identify on their permit will be increased from 3 to 5, reducing the need and frequency for modifications.

These modifications are being implemented to provide greater customer service, increase accuracy and efficiency in the process, and to significantly reduce cost to the Sheriff’s Department in facilitating CCW permits, a function which we are required by law to perform.

Sheriff Scott Jones

[Markinsac]

Article on today's SacBEE web site:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article121987214.html