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[Browneye]

I opted to do my training first, and now that that's over, I'm getting ready to put in my application. Would any OC CCW-holders here be willing to review/proofread my good-cause statement?

Just make sure it's about your fear of and the threat of 'grave bodily injury or death'. Not about 'your stuff'. Or something at your home - you already have the right to defend yourself in your home. Now, as far as the neighborhood, coming and going from that home...

[CrazyJeep]

Curious if anyone has received any kind of response when notifying OCSD of law enforcement contact.

Background of my LEO contact. Two weekends ago, I don't know the exact number, but 5-10 cars were burglarized in my neighborhood along with one pickup truck stolen. Through the Nextdoor app, I was communicating with other neighbors indicating my Nest outdoor camera may have recorded the suspect vehicle driving by my house 3 times. The neighbor who had their truck stolen asked if I could send the video to them and I gladly obliged.

The following day, a police officer came to my house asking if I could send the footage to him as well. Later that day I notified OCSD of the police contact along with a case reference number and the officer's contact information. Have not heard back from OCSD, but also figured I probably wouldn't receive a reply.

Was this a valid "LEO contact" that warranted an email to OCSD?

[Yodaman]

[francisk]

Hey everyone.
Does anyone know if we can do trigger jobs such as polishing internals to make the trigger pull smoother and lighter but keeping the stock parts for a CCW firearm? I have a cz 75 but don't want to get the CG parts to do this.
I know that we are not allowed to mods with third party internals but wouldn't it be ok if we keep the stock parts?

[Browneye]

Hey everyone.
Does anyone know if we can do trigger jobs such as polishing internals to make the trigger pull smoother and lighter but keeping the stock parts for a CCW firearm? I have a cz 75 but don't want to get the CG parts to do this.
I know that we are not allowed to mods with third party internals but wouldn't it be ok if we keep the stock parts?

If you read your policies and procedures rules for your permit it's spelled out quite clearly - no.

Worse, let's say you actually did have to use your firearm and faced criminal charges for it - which is likely, even with a 'good shoot'. There you would be sitting in criminal court proceeding with a prosecutor stating for the record that the defendant modified his firearm to shoot easier. AKA you were 'trigger happy'. This is not where you want to be.

Keep your weapon stock, or get one that works better for you out of the box.
If you carry, obtain legal protection insurance, just in case the above situation occurs.

[tuna quesadilla]

Hey everyone.
Does anyone know if we can do trigger jobs such as polishing internals to make the trigger pull smoother and lighter but keeping the stock parts for a CCW firearm? I have a cz 75 but don't want to get the CG parts to do this.
I know that we are not allowed to mods with third party internals but wouldn't it be ok if we keep the stock parts?

No, it's not OK. The CCW terms from OCSD state that you may not alter your gun, period. A trigger job, even if using OEM parts, would definitely be considered an alteration.

Terms of License Acknowledgement:

9. Restrictions by Act: Any of the following or similar acts while in possession of a firearm shall be considered a violation of the licensee's general responsibilities as specified below:

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m. Possessing a weapon altered from its originally approved design, or weapon not listed on the license.

[tuna quesadilla]

If you read your policies and procedures rules for your permit it's spelled out quite clearly - no.

Worse, let's say you actually did have to use your firearm and faced criminal charges for it - which is likely, even with a 'good shoot'. There you would be sitting in criminal court proceeding with a prosecutor stating for the record that the defendant modified his firearm to shoot easier. AKA you were 'trigger happy'. This is not where you want to be.

Keep your weapon stock, or get one that works better for you out of the box.
If you carry, obtain legal protection insurance, just in case the above situation occurs.

+1 to this--Just pick a handgun platform that does well for you "as-issued" and then train like hell with it. Millions of cops and soldiers have done just fine with bone-stock issued weapons. Train like hell and you can do great things with a stock weapon. Furthermore, keep all your training receipts and certificates because that may well help you if you are ever challenged in court.

[Dvrjon]

Worse, let's say you actually did have to use your firearm and faced criminal charges for it - which is likely, even with a 'good shoot'. There you would be sitting in criminal court proceeding with a prosecutor stating for the record that the defendant modified his firearm to shoot easier.

Keep your weapon stock, or get one that works better for you out of the box.
If you carry, obtain legal protection insurance, just in case the above situation occurs.

^^^agree with both^^^^

[francisk]

Thanks everyone. I was curious and had to ask.
I have insurance and take advanced classes on a monthly basis. Never had an issue with my carry weapons and I keep them stock but then again no matter what gun I have there is always something I wish I could improve which in this case it's the CZ trigger. It's still a very good carry gun.
Thanks again .

[Browneye]

Well yeah, that is the 'IF' for determination. Perhaps there are some extenuating circumstances, or a lying 'victim'. And why you have legal coverage insurance.
The last thing you want is a modified weapon in the mix. God help us if we ever have to shoot someone.

Look how many LEO's get caught up in this in the line of duty! It can be devastating regardless of how it goes.

[Dvrjon]

Well yeah, that is the 'IF' for determination.

Your premise was that this would happen even with a good shoot. Remember?

...which is likely, even with a 'good shoot'....

[CrazyJeep]

Yes valid IMO. Send a follow-up email or call if you feel it’s needed.


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Twelve days later, I finally heard back from OCSD. Their email simply asked if I was carrying at the time of police interaction. I emailed back indicating I was not carrying and my weapon was upstairs in a separate room disassembled as I was cleaning it.

Will report back with their response.

[socal m1 shooter]

Artemis just emailed this to their customers/clients:

CCW Renewal UPDATE:
Straight from OCSD....

BACK LOGGED!!!

CCW Holders, look at your expiration date right now and MARK YOUR CALENDARS for 90 Days before that expiration! They are BACK LOGGED and you will need to start your RENEWAL Process on the 90 Day Mark.

If you DO NOT and you wait until right before it expires, you may end up having to do the whole INITIAL PROCESS all over again!

AGAIN, THEY ARE BACK LOGGED!! DO NOT WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE!!

If your permit expires, you will not be able to carry in until it is reinstated.

Make sure you upload ALL YOUR DOCUMENTATION into the online portal at the time of your Renewal Submission.

[socal m1 shooter]

Curious if anyone has received any kind of response when notifying OCSD of law enforcement contact.
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Was this a valid "LEO contact" that warranted an email to OCSD?

I can't find where I read it now-- probably on this forum-- but it was my understanding that they do want to be informed of any law enforcement contact that goes beyond a casual greeting.

The license terms state:

License holder agrees to notify the CCW Licensing Unit within five days of any law enforcement contact or when the licensee becomes the subject of a restraining order. Notifications shall be made by contacting the CCW Licensing Unit at 714-834-7229 during normal business hours. If conducting a notification after hours or on weekends, a brief voice mail shall be left summarizing the circumstances. Written Notifications shall be submitted to the CCW Licensing Unit within five days of the original date of incident. Written notifications shall be submitted via email to ccwpermits@ocsd.org or mailed to 320 N. Flower Street 4th Floor, Santa Ana 92703 Attn: CCW Licensing Unit.

In my own case I observed someone in my area doing something unlawful, but it wasn't criminal activity, simply unsafe, annoying behavior, so I called my local PD on their non-emergency number to advise. I expect they came out, as the unlawful activity ceased.

The next day, it occurred to me that this might be something requiring notification of the OCSD CCW unit, so I emailed them the details and asked, in effect, if this is what they expect, notification for this kind of interaction. They replied "Your notification regarding Law Enforcement contact was received and documented. No further action is required of you through the CCW Unit at this time. You will be contacted if there is any additional information required of you." I took that as a "yes."

[Browneye]

How many people have you shot?