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  • CH-47
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 90

    Thank You...that wasn't there the first time I did this a couple of years ago!

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    • Chewy65
      Calguns Addict
      • Dec 2013
      • 5026

      Disable Magazine Safety

      I have a Sig P229 with a magazine safety. The magazine safety has been known to fail and when it does the gun is rendered a paperweight. For this reason some owners disconnect the magazine safety. Will OC approve a a handgun for CCW with the magazine safety disabled?

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      • Chewy65
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2013
        • 5026

        Is Don Barnes To Be Trusted

        I received a email from Harrington's campaign for Orange County Sherrif that begins:

        I don't know if it is proper to post the entire email here. Essentially, it seems that Barnes attacked Harrington's wife for sending emails to six persons about Barnes declining to state any party affiliation since 2011 until just before registering to run for OC Sheriff, when Barnes registered as a Republican.

        Barnes attacked Mrs. Harrington for placing the Under Sheriff's wife and family and risk by divulging his home address, which was part of the publicly available information found on the voter rolls.

        That is the sum of things. I am not at all concerned with Mrs. Harrington placing the Barnes family at risk by sharing public information in six private emails. I am concerned with whether or not Barnes is hiding his true political stance.

        I should note that Barnes has stated that he has "always voted republican". Perhaps, but I question that a thinking person always votes the straight party ticket. I have always been a registered Republican, as were my parents, but even then I sometimes vote for a Democrat.

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        • kriller134
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 1302

          Originally posted by Chewy65
          I received a email from Harrington's campaign for Orange County Sherrif that begins:







          I don't know if it is proper to post the entire email here. Essentially, it seems that Barnes attacked Harrington's wife for sending emails to six persons about Barnes declining to state any party affiliation since 2011 until just before registering to run for OC Sheriff, when Barnes registered as a Republican.



          Barnes attacked Mrs. Harrington for placing the Under Sheriff's wife and family and risk by divulging his home address, which was part of the publicly available information found on the voter rolls.



          That is the sum of things. I am not at all concerned with Mrs. Harrington placing the Barnes family at risk by sharing public information in six private emails. I am concerned with whether or not Barnes is hiding his true political stance.



          I should note that Barnes has stated that he has "always voted republican". Perhaps, but I question that a thinking person always votes the straight party ticket. I have always been a registered Republican, as were my parents, but even then I sometimes vote for a Democrat.

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          • Chewy65
            Calguns Addict
            • Dec 2013
            • 5026

            I tend to think the same regarding Barnes and am looking forward to meeting Harrington. Still, I am not locking the Barnes Door. (I couldn't resist.)

            As for something Barnes has said about issuing without a showing of "good cause". In essence, his concern is that a policy of "shall issue" would expose the OCSD to financial liability. That is a crock of nonsense. There is a thing called sovereign immunity, as he well knows. I would have more respect for the man if he just said what he really believes.

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            • Chewy65
              Calguns Addict
              • Dec 2013
              • 5026

              Barnes Position on Good Cause?

              What is Barnes position of Good Cause. He criticizes Harrinton's support of "shall issue" but the Barnes for Sheriff website says:

              I support the 2nd amendment. State law authorizes the Sheriff to issue Concealed Weapon Permits to citizens who can show good cause. In my view any law abiding citizen who seeks a permit has the right to have one issued. In the last three years, under my leadership, OCSD has issued over 10,000 permits to residents. Not one person has misused their permit. Law abiding citizen are responsible gun owners and should have the ability to conceal carry if they believe it is necessary for their personal safety.

              So what is his stance? Before the first and now vacated Peruta decision, he clearly opposed shall issue and did so in a sworn declaration under oath. Reportedly, OCSD has loosened up its good cause requirements, but still requires applicants to establish good cause. Then this statement says that the state requires good cause but that any law abiding citizen has the right to a permit if they believe they need one for personal safety.

              If this is true, why does the OCSD's written policy require proof of a heightened risk to an applicant's safety?

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              • GlockN'Roll
                Veteran Member
                • May 2015
                • 3646

                Originally posted by Chewy65
                What is Barnes position of Good Cause. He criticizes Harrinton's support of "shall issue" but the Barnes for Sheriff website says:

                I support the 2nd amendment.

                State law authorizes the Sheriff to issue Concealed Weapon Permits to citizens who can show good cause.

                In my view any law abiding citizen who seeks a permit has the right to have one issued. In the last three years, under my leadership, OCSD has issued over 10,000 permits to residents. Not one person has misused their permit. Law abiding citizen are responsible gun owners and should have the ability to conceal carry if they believe it is necessary for their personal safety.

                So what is his stance? Before the first and now vacated Peruta decision, he clearly opposed shall issue and did so in a sworn declaration under oath. Reportedly, OCSD has loosened up its good cause requirements, but still requires applicants to establish good cause. Then this statement says that the state requires good cause but that any law abiding citizen has the right to a permit if they believe they need one for personal safety.

                If this is true, why does the OCSD's written policy require proof of a heightened risk to an applicant's safety?
                The fact that he supports a "good cause" standard, would seem to indicate that he is likely a "may issue" guy
                and he would continue the heightened risk/scrutiny approach now being implemented...

                Several people I spoke with, all who were eventually renewed,
                indicated that they were asked for substantially more documentation during their recent renewals.

                While likely merely CYA on OCSD's part, more than one wondered if they would actually be renewed this year...
                Real Californian...

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                • Browneye
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2013
                  • 746

                  Any record or knowledge of a renewal denial for good cause? Any at all?
                  1911 Shooter

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                  • Chewy65
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Dec 2013
                    • 5026

                    One thing that I do know is that I asked for input about the election on he LEO thread and got no responses. I wondered if that was because any OC Deputies were afraid that anything they said may become known within the department.

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                    • Guninator
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2017
                      • 666

                      Yes, once and for all, Barnes is NOT for shall-issue. He's snowed the guys at OnTarget shooting range, so they are backing him. They had a fundraiser for him, but they scrubbed all the comments from their Facebook page on it. He was giving some bull$#!t that the department or the licensee could be sued for getting a permit without cause, in violation of state law, which is total and complete politician BS. I'm an attorney and I can tell you it was legal mumbo jumbo BS. Barnes is NOT for shall-issue.

                      Clear enough?
                      "The right to keep and bear arms . . . is not the only constitutional right that has controversial public safety implications. -- Justice Alito, McDonald v. Chicago

                      Be sure to add CRPA as your charity in Amazon Smile. $#!thead Bezos canceled it.

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                      • ladiver
                        Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 261

                        Online applications in OC + unlimited firearms

                        Does anyone know if we can now share guns on ccw? Both my wife and I have ours and I would like to list her pistols on my permit and vice versa.
                        Last edited by ladiver; 10-25-2017, 9:45 AM.

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                        • Browneye
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2013
                          • 746

                          Originally posted by ladiver
                          Does anyone know if we can now share guns on ccw? Both my wife and I have ours and I would like to list her pistols on my permit and vice versa.
                          You can have the same firearms on your permits, sure - but 5 total, maximum, on your permit.
                          AFAIK they don't care what you put on your permit as long as you can qualify with them during your training certification.
                          1911 Shooter

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                          • Browneye
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 746

                            Originally posted by Guninator
                            Yes, once and for all, Barnes is NOT for shall-issue. He's snowed the guys at OnTarget shooting range, so they are backing him. They had a fundraiser for him, but they scrubbed all the comments from their Facebook page on it. He was giving some bull$#!t that the department or the licensee could be sued for getting a permit without cause, in violation of state law, which is total and complete politician BS. I'm an attorney and I can tell you it was legal mumbo jumbo BS. Barnes is NOT for shall-issue.

                            Clear enough?
                            Which one is 'Barnes'? Is he the current sergeant? The new guy?

                            It does always amaze me the kind of language they pop up with. 2A doesn't say anything about having good cause. [shrug]
                            1911 Shooter

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                            • ladiver
                              Member
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 261

                              Originally posted by Browneye
                              You can have the same firearms on your permits, sure - but 5 total, maximum, on your permit.
                              AFAIK they don't care what you put on your permit as long as you can qualify with them during your training certification.
                              Thanks Browneye. OCSD is changing to allow "unlimited" firearms on the permit, but you still must qualify on each of them. On my original and renewal, each of the listed firearms had to be registered to me. Anything registered to my wife was not allowed. Best part of that was buying more guns. ;-)

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                              • Mibairho
                                Member
                                • Apr 2017
                                • 130

                                Originally posted by ladiver
                                Does anyone know if we can now share guns on ccw? Both my wife and I have ours and I would like to list her pistols on my permit and vice versa.

                                The handguns on your license have to be registered to you. You cannot share the same firearm on two different licenses.

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