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[Doheny]

Does anyone know if we can now share guns on ccw? Both my wife and I have ours and I would like to list her pistols on my permit and vice versa.

[Mibairho]

Yes, once and for all, Barnes is NOT for shall-issue. He's snowed the guys at OnTarget shooting range, so they are backing him. They had a fundraiser for him, but they scrubbed all the comments from their Facebook page on it. He was giving some bull$#!t that the department or the licensee could be sued for getting a permit without cause, in violation of state law, which is total and complete politician BS. I'm an attorney and I can tell you it was legal mumbo jumbo BS. Barnes is NOT for shall-issue.

Clear enough?

Seriously, if you think Barnes is not supportive of issuing CCW licenses, you are so wrong. Look at the stats of how many Orange County residents have CCW licenses today. They have over 11,700 license holders right now. How many gun stores are in Aliso Viejo? If Harrington is so pro 2A, why hasn't the city allowed any gun stores?

The CCW unit is issuing far more licenses now than the Peruta era. Close to double the numbers. Just remember Barnes is the known commodity, even the NRA sent me a card that says, Orange County is one of the few counties where it is relatively simple to get a license. For anyone to say Barnes is not supportive to issuing, is completely misleading everyone. STOP the BS. Facts and actions speak louder political promises. We know how many licenses are issued, how many gun stores are in Aliso Viejo? Exact ZERO!! Stop spreading the BS.

[Mibairho]

Which one is 'Barnes'? Is he the current sergeant? The new guy?

It does always amaze me the kind of language they pop up with. 2A doesn't say anything about having good cause. [shrug]

Barnes is the Under assistant sheriff, second in command of the whole department. The sergeant at the CCW is the supervisor there. Many ranks lower than Barnes. Remember this, Barnes gives the CCW unit supervisor guidance of how he wants the unit ran. The unit supervisor makes that happen. If you met the CCW unit supervisor, you'll never forget him. Big old funny guy who will take the time to say congrats if he sees you. We ran into him as we were being escorted out after getting our permits. Nice guy.

[Erion929]

Seriously, if you think Barnes is not supportive of issuing CCW licenses, you are so wrong. Look at the stats of how many Orange County residents have CCW licenses today. They have over 11,700 license holders right now. How many gun stores are in Aliso Viejo? If Harrington is so pro 2A, why hasn't the city allowed any gun stores?

The CCW unit is issuing far more licenses now than the Peruta era. Close to double the numbers. Just remember Barnes is the known commodity, even the NRA sent me a card that says, Orange County is one of the few counties where it is relatively simple to get a license. For anyone to say Barnes is not supportive to issuing, is completely misleading everyone. STOP the BS. Facts and actions speak louder political promises. We know how many licenses are issued, how many gun stores are in Aliso Viejo? Exact ZERO!! Stop spreading the BS.

So far, since I got my CCW pretty easily, I find no issues with the current admin's methods....i.e., Barnes. "May issue" at a interpreted 95+% clip is close enough to "shall issue", no? That leaves room for some cases to be denied, which seems only right in a society with a fair degree of riffraff/issues.....IMO.

I agree, the OCSD deputies were VERY respectful and nice....my interviewer also congratulated me when she saw me picking up my license

[Guninator]

Seriously, if you think Barnes is not supportive of issuing CCW licenses, you are so wrong. Look at the stats of how many Orange County residents have CCW licenses today. They have over 11,700 license holders right now. How many gun stores are in Aliso Viejo? If Harrington is so pro 2A, why hasn't the city allowed any gun stores?

The CCW unit is issuing far more licenses now than the Peruta era. Close to double the numbers. Just remember Barnes is the known commodity, even the NRA sent me a card that says, Orange County is one of the few counties where it is relatively simple to get a license. For anyone to say Barnes is not supportive to issuing, is completely misleading everyone. STOP the BS. Facts and actions speak louder political promises. We know how many licenses are issued, how many gun stores are in Aliso Viejo? Exact ZERO!! Stop spreading the BS.

Strawman argument is made of straw. I said Barnes is against SHALL-ISSUE. He's playing both sides, because OC isn't so conservative anymore (didn't go for Trump in the last election!). A classic weasel politician telling both sides what they want to hear.

So close your pie-hole and open your ear holes and listen: Barnes has expressly said he's against shall-issue. I'm glad you feel all empowered by bowing and scraping to guys with badges to beg for your F---ing constitutional rights. Personally, I am aghast that I have to beg a law enforcement agency for my constitutional rights. Good cause statement? F U! Care to beg for your 4th Amendment rights too? Maybe if you curtsy just right, they'll give you your 5th and 6th Amendment rights.

I've told you with 100% accuracy Barnes' position. But I honestly really don't think we have a chance with this kind of stupidity on OUR side.

[Guninator]

So far, since I got my CCW pretty easily, I find no issues with the current admin's methods....i.e., Barnes. "May issue" at a interpreted 95+% clip is close enough to "shall issue", no? That leaves room for some cases to be denied, which seems only right in a society with a fair degree of riffraff/issues.....IMO.

I agree, the OCSD deputies were VERY respectful and nice....my interviewer also congratulated me when she saw me picking up my license

So do "riff-raff" also not get their 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendment rights if the police don't approve?

Like I said, we can't win with "thinking" like this.

Vote Harrington!

[Chewy65]

The fact is that the OCSD's own records show that it was issuing at a lower rate in 2016 than it was the year before the panel's decision in Peruta. The reason there are so many more active permits is that so many more applications were filed. It will be very interesting to see what the numbers are for 2017. if and when they are ever made available to the public.

Look for yourselves. http://cms.ocgov.com/gov/sheriff/div...of/default.asp

[Mibairho]

The fact is that the OCSD's own records show that it was issuing at a lower rate in 2016 than it was the year before the panel's decision in Peruta. The reason there are so many more active permits is that so many more applications were filed. It will be very interesting to see what the numbers are for 2017. if and when they are ever made available to the public.

Look for yourselves. http://cms.ocgov.com/gov/sheriff/div...of/default.asp

just confirmed numbers aren't correct on that website. I was told 2016 had a few hundred more issued than 2015. 2017 will be close to 2000 more issued than 2016.

[Erion929]

So do "riff-raff" also not get their 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendment rights if the police don't approve?

Like I said, we can't win with "thinking" like this.

Vote Harrington!

No, riffraff can practice any religion or speech they want

Hey man, sorry if I feel that if you have mental issues or continually threaten people and/or are involved in altercations....you shouldn't be able to carry a gun. Guess that's just me and MY RIGHT to run free without fear.

I don't think a person's right to carry, or not, infringes on other basic rights.

Guess you believe ANYBODY should carry, regardless of social history against others?

[Chewy65]

just confirmed numbers aren't correct on that website. I was told 2016 had a few hundred more issued than 2015. 2017 will be close to 2000 more issued than 2016.

I find it amusing that the Under Sherrif who claims credit for the CCW program neglected to see that the correct numbers were promulgated for 2016. Even if one never had an experience with forensic auditing, the fact that a round number of 3000 was published was a red flag that should have alerted Barnes that something was wrong with the statistics being put out under his watch. I wonder what other little "mistakes" will be uncovered. But as for 2017, the lies in the ratio of permits issued to applications. Should your informant be correct about 2,000 more being issued in 2017, but applications increased by 4,000, then the issuance ration would be continuing its decline. So why donlt you go on the record and tell us ow many applied in 2017? And please give us some real numbers and not this "a few hundred more" and "close to" impossible to pin down nonsense. Or is it someone's game not to be pinned down so that they can continue to stretch the truth about what is going on in with the CCW program?

Anyway, I for one am getting a bit tired of unsupported claims. It is the worse kind of hearsay, when you don't at least identify the declarant. Is it Barnes?

[libertyordeath]

Is this just for Orange County because I know In riverside you can put a gun that is registered to your spouse.

[Doheny]

Is this just for Orange County because I know In riverside you can put a gun that is registered to your spouse.

Yes, in OC. It's up to each IA and OC only let you use guns registered to you.

And I have heard that about Riverside. That would be helpful if more did that.

[Mibairho]

I find it amusing that the Under Sherrif who claims credit for the CCW program neglected to see that the correct numbers were promulgated for 2016. Even if one never had an experience with forensic auditing, the fact that a round number of 3000 was published was a red flag that should have alerted Barnes that something was wrong with the statistics being put out under his watch. I wonder what other little "mistakes" will be uncovered. But as for 2017, the lies in the ratio of permits issued to applications. Should your informant be correct about 2,000 more being issued in 2017, but applications increased by 4,000, then the issuance ration would be continuing its decline. So why donlt you go on the record and tell us ow many applied in 2017? And please give us some real numbers and not this "a few hundred more" and "close to" impossible to pin down nonsense. Or is it someone's game not to be pinned down so that they can continue to stretch the truth about what is going on in with the CCW program?

Anyway, I for one am getting a bit tired of unsupported claims. It is the worse kind of hearsay, when you don't at least identify the declarant. Is it Barnes?

You're the one spouting BS. If you think Harrington is so Pro 2A, why is it he's the Mayor of a city that won't allow a gun store. Exactly!

As far as my contact, Mr. Noneya (business).

[Browneye]

I stand corrected. Was not aware of that. Does make sense though, they want to be able to match your permit weapons with your registrations at DOJ, right?

[Chewy65]

You're the one spouting BS. If you think Harrington is so Pro 2A, why is it he's the Mayor of a city that won't allow a gun store. Exactly!

As far as my contact, Mr. Noneya (business).

I see you had to stoop to trying to deflect from the issue by resorting to a straw argument. Do you even have any proof that Aliso Viejo won't allow a gun store and if that is true, what makes you think that a mayor has dictatorial powers over the city?

Back to your funny numbers, I knew you wouldn't identify Mr. Noneya Business as it is so much easier for you to make stuff up without providing a source. ROTLMAO. The best you can do to refute my data, which I documented by a link to the OCSD website, is to say that you confirmed other data with a source you refuse to identify.

Something sounds familiar. When it suits him, Barnes files a sworn declaration attesting to the evil risks of concealed carry. Then when he needs the votes of the 2A community he is Mr. Shall Issue.