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[shadow7]

Yes, in OC. It's up to each IA and OC only let you use guns registered to you.

And I have heard that about Riverside. That would be helpful if more did that.

[Chewy65]

just confirmed numbers aren't correct on that website. I was told 2016 had a few hundred more issued than 2015. 2017 will be close to 2000 more issued than 2016.

Isn't it interesting that just now I took another look at the Professional Standard Division web page and it decided to change the number issued for 2016 from 3000 to 4634, an increase of 1,634 or 55.5%. So let us assume that the powers that be at the OCSD aren't playing it loose with numbers but made an honest mistake. A mistake that any idiot would have spotted but still an honest mistake. What else do the revised numbers tell us, other than someone at OCSD is either watching this board closely or a Calgunner is feeding info to someone at OCSD?

I was going to say more, but I want to listen more to what the numbers are telling us. One thing being if they are even real. One of those things is that the numbers for issued and apps received for any year likely includes renewals of two year permits. That account for why the number in effect for 2106 is far less than the number issued. Many of the licenses issued being renewals of the big increase of 2014.

Any way you cut it the rate of issuance has dropped below its pre Peruta panel decision rate. Not good.!

[Doheny]

Yup, as stated in my post.

The code doesn't address it, but OC requires it (this is the OC CCW forum.)

[Chewy65]

If the code doesn't address it and the state leaves it up to the IA to do as they please, where does the state get the authority to delegate a Legislative function to a county sheriff?

[Dvrjon]

The guns on your permit need to be registered to the CCW holder. You can’t carry guns registered to anyone else but you, the permit holder.

Is this just for Orange County because I know In riverside you can put a gun that is registered to your spouse.

Yes, in OC. It's up to each IA and OC only let you use guns registered to you.

And I have heard that about Riverside. That would be helpful if more did that.

I stand corrected. Was not aware of that. Does make sense though, they want to be able to match your permit weapons with your registrations at DOJ, right?

Called Cal DOJ Firearms on this. They basically told me a it’s a grey area and up to the local authority that issues the CCW.

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Yup, as stated in my post.

The code doesn't address it, but OC requires it (this is the OC CCW forum.)

If the code doesn't address it and the state leaves it up to the IA to do as they please, where does the state get the authority to delegate a Legislative function to a county sheriff?

The Code deals with it.

Any gun listed on your permit is reported by the IA to the OAG when the license is reported. See CA PEN 26225 (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...5.&lawCode=PEN)

OAG is required to maintain copies and to enter the information in the registry which will be made available to law enforcement agencies on demand. See CA PEN 11106 (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...6.&lawCode=PEN)

Cliff Notes: According to Sac Sheriff CCW office, if your name is run through the "known individuals" file, the CII on your CCW can be matched, and the guns on your license will show on the Registry as being associated to you.

[Tripper]

Any gun on ccw is in your name (or should I say associated with your name) whether it was before or not, running the serial returns essentially your name and an entry something like ******ccw firearm******, along with dros information if it is available. your CII is on your ccw permit



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[Chewy65]

just confirmed numbers aren't correct on that website. I was told 2016 had a few hundred more issued than 2015. 2017 will be close to 2000 more issued than 2016.

Wow! Someone at OCSD got right on it and changed the 2016 issued number from 3000 to 4634. Why they only did so after my post alerted them to what they had been claiming doesn't say a lot for why no one at OCSD had earlier caught such a glaring "mistake". Regardless, the new number yields a rate for Issued to Apps below the 2013 rate and way the year in which the three judge panel's ruling. Even though the now defunct decision didn't come down until April of 2014, the 2014 rate was 94%.

One thing that is clear is that the 2016 rate dropped by 21% from the rate for 2014, even using the Departments new number, but Barnes claims that the Department is issuing to 95+% of applicants. I trust that a FOIA request isn't going to be needed. If the number isn't what is claimed, shame on our under sheriff, but if OCSD is issuing at the claimed rate, good for him.

[Chewy65]

The Code deals with it.

Any gun listed on your permit is reported by the IA to the OAG when the license is reported. See CA PEN 26225 (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...5.&lawCode=PEN)

OAG is required to maintain copies and to enter the information in the registry which will be made available to law enforcement agencies on demand. See CA PEN 11106 (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...6.&lawCode=PEN)

Cliff Notes: According to Sac Sheriff CCW office, if your name is run through the "known individuals" file, the CII on your CCW can be matched, and the guns on your license will show on the Registry as being associated to you.

The problem is that many an IA won't allow you to put a handgun on your permit if it hasn't already been registered in your name. While the DOJ records the information reported to it by the IA, it isn't reported to the DOJ until a permit is issued.

[Kurgan]

Here is my take. Barnes would have to publicly state that he will accept "self defense" as good cause or he will not receive my vote.

[Dvrjon]

The problem is that many an IA won't allow you to put a handgun on your permit if it hasn't already been registered in your name. While the DOJ records the information reported to it by the IA, it isn't reported to the DOJ until a permit is issued.

That just means the IA hasn't been properly informed of the code provisions. If one is subject to such a policy, then one might be inclined to share the info with the IA and see if the policy can be changed.

[Chewy65]

That just means the IA hasn't been properly informed of the code provisions. If one is subject to such a policy, then one might be inclined to share the info with the IA and see if the policy can be changed.

When applied to OCSD that is nonsense. It very well knows code provisions and if it isn't following code it is by choice. Speaking of choice, until I see actual monthly data, it seems clear that the issuance rate on initial CCW applications for the OC has been even lower than earlier numbers indicated. The rates earlier computed having included numbers for two year renewals. For instance, the calculated initial issuance rate for 2016 is no more than 50%.

It kind of suggests that OCSD didn't hesitate to back off on its ballyhooed liberal issuance policy after the Peruta panel decision was vacated by the Order granting the En Banc.

Don't be fooled by growth in CCW's in effect, but take a look at the number of apps received. Then ask yourself if the real reason for the increase in permits isn't the increase in applications.

[Xscmurcielago]

Good evening everyone. So I was one of the lucky ones to get in under the "self-defense" period in Orange County in '15. But now I just realized my permit will expire in the next month so I need to get cracking on it. I had logged on to their website a year or so ago to mentally prepare for what I would need to do, but its changed now and its a bit confusing. Do I now need to get training BEFORE acceptance? Am I also paying for the renewal beforehand? This seems very strange since theres no guarantee of approval. Also I'm worried as I don't have much time left and don't want it to lapse. Also when googling for training locations I read on one such places website about having 5 guns on your permit instead of the old 3. Did it change??
Also I've been hearing that we need just cause statements to get approved now. I am a restaurant manager at a location that has had forced burglaries as well as verbal/physical assaults on myself and staff, in addition to working as the sole person into the wee hours after the rest of the staff has left, closing up the back office with large sums of cash in my possession. Do these all sound like good enough reasons? And would they want any evidence of these statements? I'm not positive I can easily get the police report numbers. But they all occurred in the sheriff departments jurisdiction, so can they maybe look them up by the name and address of the restaurant?
Thanks so much for any and all help, sorry for the million questions, I was just a bit blindsided by endless threads when I tried to find the info on my own, and would really appreciate someone in the know helping me out .
-Gabe

[38Special]

Good evening everyone. So I was one of the lucky ones to get in under the "self-defense" period in Orange County in '15. But now I just realized my permit will expire in the next month so I need to get cracking on it. I had logged on to their website a year or so ago to mentally prepare for what I would need to do, but its changed now and its a bit confusing. Do I now need to get training BEFORE acceptance? Am I also paying for the renewal beforehand? This seems very strange since theres no guarantee of approval. Also I'm worried as I don't have much time left and don't want it to lapse. Also when googling for training locations I read on one such places website about having 5 guns on your permit instead of the old 3. Did it change??
Also I've been hearing that we need just cause statements to get approved now. I am a restaurant manager at a location that has had forced burglaries as well as verbal/physical assaults on myself and staff, in addition to working as the sole person into the wee hours after the rest of the staff has left, closing up the back office with large sums of cash in my possession. Do these all sound like good enough reasons? And would they want any evidence of these statements? I'm not positive I can easily get the police report numbers. But they all occurred in the sheriff departments jurisdiction, so can they maybe look them up by the name and address of the restaurant?
Thanks so much for any and all help, sorry for the million questions, I was just a bit blindsided by endless threads when I tried to find the info on my own, and would really appreciate someone in the know helping me out .
-Gabe

A number of your questions can be answered by READING
past posts in here.

[tuna quesadilla]

Has anybody gotten approved solely using the "backcountry/camping" theme for their GC statement? I'm racking my brain trying to come up with a GC statement that might get approved, but I'm having a tough time unfortunately. I'm an average white guy, in a secure neighborhood, with a cubicle job in a controlled-access office building in a very ritzy area. My trips to the backcountry might be the only straw I can grasp at...

[Xscmurcielago]

A number of your questions can be answered by READING
past posts in here.

thanks, the 2200 plus posts here was a bit daunting. appreciate the help though