Los Angeles

[Paladin]

Getting AV to accept SD/PP = GC

It was a mix of yellow GC my job has me on call so I can get called out any time throw out the day/night and I am often in areas when i go hiking where bear and wildlife are present. My deputy seemed to care more about GMC more than GC

At some point during your application process, a background investigator will contact a sampling of your neighbors, family and co-workers to determine your suitability to carry a concealed weapon. We will advise the people we contact of the reason for the contact, and ask them if they would recommend you be issued a CCW permit.

While this may seem intrusive to some, I believe that . Those individuals who have lived an upstanding life in every respect and enjoy a well-earned reputation among their neighbors, co-workers and friends should have little problem successfully getting through our process.

Please read through the additional requirements to obtain a CCW permit carefully before submitting your application. If you choose to continue the process I hope this message provides some clarity regarding your chances for successfully obtaining a CCW permit.

From: https://montereysheriff.org/ccw/

[LARES]

Yeah when I interviewed we spent more time talking about how carrying a loaded gun is a huge responsibility and a permit doesnt mean you can carry where ever firearms are not allowed and it should be taken seriously. I thought my age would be an issue being only 25 but when he found out I had two kids lived on my own with my girlfriend and all that he saw me a bit more mature and after that we spent about 5 min on my GC ans him asking questions.

[Immortal547]

This is what we want: where AV only cares that you’re a GG, not why you think you’re at risk and need to carry.

Back when the new Monterey Co sheriff took office, Jan 2015 IIRC, he put right on his CCW page that he’d accept SD = GC, but he’d said every applicant “shall be required” to pass the same psychological evaluation his deputies do. IOW he had no problems with “GGs with a gun,” he wanted to make extra sure you really were a GG. After a few years that changed to “may be required” to pass psych evaluation. Now it isn’t even mentioned.

Maybe some of you LA Co people could work that into a question/suggestion for AV during his next town hall. Maybe for when the process is online and they’ll be better able to hand the flood of applicants? Or maybe after he’s re-elected? Maybe suggest it as mandatory only for those who do not have personal threats or work related risks? It will be a way for LG and DG GCs to apply and know that, if they pass GMC with psych eval they’ll get issued.

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From: https://montereysheriff.org/ccw/

Absolutely not. That would be taking a step backwards. Getting rid of good cause completely is the goal. Adding those kind of GMC requirements would make it as subjective as GC. GMC is a clean background check. That’s it. Neighbors or anyone for that matter should not know your business. Psych evaluation is not necessary to buy a gun so it should not be needed to carry a gun. Switching one subjective requirement for another is not progress.

[thethreegs]

N/A

[seaweedsoyboy]

Agreed with Immortal.

Guarantee my elderly neighbors would say NO if called not because of who I am as a person but because they are anti-gun and are horrified at the idea of ANYONE carrying a gun. That's including LASD's own sheriffs. Same thing with co-workers. This is LA County afterall, where the average person is severely anti-gun. That paragraph read like a satire. That would be extraordinarily intrusive to ask people around your life regarding CCW. The scotus case can't come soon enough

Yeah I was nodding along in agreement reading Paladin's initial explanation but by the time I got though that Sheriff's letter I was in abject horror at the thought of some of my bougier neighbors getting a visit like that lol.

[Paladin]

You guys seem to have overlooked that I NEVER said to suggest the neighbor, etc interviews. I ONLY suggested the same psych eval his deputies have to take. That will placate the press too. In exchange for issuing for LG and DG GCs or just accepting SD/PP = GC, a psych eval is worth it.

[seaweedsoyboy]

You guys seem to have overlooked that I NEVER said to suggest the neighbor, etc interviews. I ONLY suggested the same psych eval his deputies have to take. That will placate the press too. In exchange for issuing for LG and DG GCs or accepting SD/PP = GC, a psych eval is worth it.

Yeah, that's the part I was nodding along in agreement with lol. That I could accept! Not because it's right, but because it's a hell of a lot better than an abstract denial for "insufficient good cause."

[Paladin]

Yeah when I interviewed we spent more time talking about how carrying a loaded gun is a huge responsibility and a permit doesnt mean you can carry where ever firearms are not allowed and it should be taken seriously. I thought my age would be an issue being only 25 but when he found out I had two kids lived on my own with my girlfriend and all that he saw me a bit more mature and after that we spent about 5 min on my GC ans him asking questions.

[pacrat]

PALADIN SUGGESTED;

I seem to remember there being "Case Law" regarding psych evals, that if an IA requires it of ANY applicants. They must require it of ALL applicants. Like the City of Murrieta did.

[Lockdown.-]

Jesus Christ you have two kids at 25?

At 25 I was just finding out I like black women.

[LARES]

@Lockdown yes lol a 3 year old and 5 months old! It was hard but I had no choice to mature for the better of my kids😅

[LARES]

*no choice but to mature for the better of my kids

[Lockdown.-]

As much as we feel like there has been a stagnation in issuance,

based on the graphs, it looks like LASD is issuing at a pretty consistent rate.

https://imgur.com/a/bIx61Hl

[Imist!]

Surprising that in a county with a population of 10 million, only 7500 have applied.

[MajorCaliber]

I think the psych interviews are a bad idea. Adding another subjective, non-transparent part to the process is a step backward and subject to all kinds of shenanigans. Also, who would do he interviews? How many psychologists are currently on LASO's approved list for deputies? How much longer will the process get delayed when those few get deluged with an additional thousand applicants per month? It's just one more bottleneck. Also consider what happens to those who fail for whatever subjective reason. What keeps the next sheriff on his own, or the current BOS passing a law to the effect that now that they have "proof" you are "not safe with a gun", instant Red Flag gun confiscations for all. Do not underestimate the power of these exams to be used for nefarious purposes.