MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[ojisan]

Discogodfather, thank you for the flowchart, it's all so clear now.

[Clif]

My question is if you can point us to a reference you stated regarding a category 4. I know CG hasn't updated that. I just to read the source from what you are stating.

It is right there in what you posted. A cat 3 is a SACF with detachible magazine.

A cat 4 would be a 50 bmg i guess

A cat 5 would be a SACF without a fixed magazine (a minor difference but one with huge legal consequences with those with BB weapons)

[dieselpower]

This makes sense and I bet dollars to donuts that the wording "or use of a tool" is simply adding a bullet button style AR into the equation. It does not disregard the preceding statement "without disassembly of the firearm action" The main point from the DOJ is intent. The bullet button style AR is their target. IMO. They simply redefined the definition of a fixed magazine.

They actually deleted the definition of Detachable from the law, added a definition of Fixed to the regs and changed the law to not a fixed magazine.

I warned of this very action years ago. I argued many times we should not simply roll over and say our BB firearms had fixed magazine, when they in fact didnt have actual fixed magazine. They simply didnt meet the definition of detachable.

While the value of such a stance is unknown, the fact many of us with legally owned high capacity magazine were told we couldnt use them with our BB firearms was annoying and sheepish.

[lrdchivalry]

It is right there in what you posted. A cat 3 is a SACF with detachible magazine.

A cat 4 would be a 50 bmg i guess

A cat 5 would be a SACF without a fixed magazine (a minor difference but one with huge legal consequences with those with BB weapons)

There is no cat 4 or 5.

.50 BMG is not an AW and is banned under another law.

BB rifles would fall under cat 3 AW by feature.

[Clif]

That is not correct.

.50 BMG is not an AW and is banned under a different law.

No $H!t, but we are talking RAW, not AR's. You know there are other RAW than just ARs right?

[dieselpower]

No $H!t, but we are talking RAW, not AR's. You know there are other RAW than just ARs right?

yes but there are only 3 types of RAW under all the laws. While you can give each a category if you like, that isnt official by any means.

[Clif]

They actually deleted the definition of Detachable from the law, added a definition of Fixed to the regs and changed the law to not a fixed magazine.

No they didn't delete it! That is what I have been telling everyone! Look at 30515 (a)(4)(D) and 30515 (a)(7). It is still in there!

30515 (a)(4)(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
30515(a)(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

[hossb7]

has this been posted yet?

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms

UPDATE AS OF JANUARY 4, 2017: The ability to register an Assault Weapon pursuant to Assembly Bill 1135 and Senate Bill 880, is not yet available. Pursuant to AB 1135 and SB 880, Assault Weapon registration regulations must be effective before any registrations can take place. At this time, the regulations are still pending, however they should be effective in the very near future. Please continue to check the Bureau of Firearms website for updates.

[Clif]

yes but there are only 3 types of RAW under all the laws. While you can give each a category if you like, that isnt official by any means.

Wrong, calguns has JUST 3 categories of JUST AR's (as of 2016, not including the new 2017 law). There are WAY more than just 3 categories of RAW

[dieselpower]

has this been posted yet?

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms

UPDATE AS OF JANUARY 4, 2017: The ability to register an Assault Weapon pursuant to Assembly Bill 1135 and Senate Bill 880, is not yet available. Pursuant to AB 1135 and SB 880, Assault Weapon registration regulations must be effective before any registrations can take place. At this time, the regulations are still pending, however they should be effective in the very near future. Please continue to check the Bureau of Firearms website for updates.

yes its been discussed. They are changing the regs as we speak due in part to this very thread. many people expressed concern over the regs both to Representatives and the DoJ. Those concerns were heard loud and clear.

We just dont know what direction they are going yet. Further over reaching underground regulation or backing off to just what 1135 and 880 said to do.

[lrdchivalry]

No $H!t, but we are talking RAW, not AR's. You know there are other RAW than just ARs right?

I do know that and the .50 BMG is not one of them, they are banned under another law, not the AW laws.

You are the one who incorrectly included the .50 BMG in a category of AW not me, you are also the one who created additional categories of AW's when they do not exist.

If you want to use categories of AW's there would only be three.

Cat 1: The original Roberti-Roos list, which includes some non AR rifles.

Cat 2: The Kasler list or series weapons, which also include some non AR rifles

Cat 3: AW by feature which also includes BB rifles.

Take a deep breath and calm down.

[Clif]

And because they DIDN'T delete "detachable magazine", that makes the previous "detachable magazine" ARs and the new "fixed magazine" AR's in different categories. The BB shotguns are in the same "detachable magazine" category as it was before.

[dieselpower]

No they didn't delete it! That is what I have been telling everyone! Look at 30515 (a)(4)(D) and 30515 (a)(7). It is still in there!

30515 (a)(4)(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
30515(a)(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

and those laws use the definition of detachable magazine. so a BB+ a magbutton meets the definition of a detachable magazine so those would be AWs.

Wrong, calguns has JUST 3 categories of JUST AR's (as of 2016, not including the new 2017 law). There are WAY more than just 3 categories of RAW

I am not arguing that with you. There are 50cals, SKS, featured, named, named again, rifles, shotguns, pistols, blah blah blah. None of which gives credibility to a category system in the law. That is what we use, not them.

[lrdchivalry]

Wrong, calguns has JUST 3 categories of JUST AR's (as of 2016, not including the new 2017 law). There are WAY more than just 3 categories of RAW

Your kidding right?

Page two of the flowchart actually list in appendix c AK series weapons and non AR weapons are also listed in appendix A.

There are only 3 categories of AW.

Again

Cat 1: Roberti-Roos list
Cat 2: Kasler List (series weapons)
Cat 3: AW by feature, which includes BB rifles.

[Discogodfather]

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regagunfaqs