MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[Shell]

Enough has been said and the main point is they must be registered by the end of this year unless one converts to featureless or 2017 mag compliant by the same deadline.

You don't get to set the "main point" - for most of us, the "main point" is that Rule 5477 is illegal, and not authorized by the law, and thus violates the 2A and should be challenged in federal court.

Until then, I encourage everyone to register their BB AR's and if you want to go featureless, buy a second rifle. First, we may get Rule 5477 defeated in court. Second, even if we lose, featureless rifles may (in the future) require mag lock modification or registry as "featureless AWs" - and having a featured RAW will grandfather the rifle, and allow you to drop mags with just a tool.

At a bare minimum, if on an extreme budget, register the BB MSR, take all the parts off except for the lower and BB, and then attach most of the other parts to a new featureless lower. Then you're only out a new lower and a new mag release... and your RAW rights are reserved (should legislators/ballot-measures attack featureless MSRs in the future).

[meno377]

Fine, then he and you better not try to register because if you try to register your BB rifle, since it's a detachable magazine, you will likely be digging your own grave to a felony, and DOJ will have the photographic evidence and your sworn statement under penalty of perjury.

On the other hand, if you have some 'smarts' you will realize that the BB itself is not a detachable magazine (felony), not a fixed magazine because you don't have to disassemble the firearm action in order to disengage the magazine-thus, must be registered as an AW.

What you fail to acknowledge is that there is no difference between a "not a fixed magazine" and a "detachable magazine". The wording is not crystal clear in the regulations as many have pointed out, but the intent is.

It's a newly designated BB'd Assault Weapon, that's all. Not a detachable magazine, not a fixed magazine.

Where does it say this?? Show me where they are creating a new category?

[SOCOgunguy]

Until then, I encourage everyone to register their BB AR's and if you want to go featureless, buy a second rifle. First, we may get Rule 5477 defeated in court. Second, even if we lose, featureless rifles may (in the future) require mag lock modification or registry as "featureless AWs" - and having a featured RAW will grandfather the rifle, and allow you to drop mags with just a tool.

This x1000

[SOCOgunguy]

Meno you're late, they already said they are making a new category. Sorry bud

[ifilef]

Meno you're late, they already said they are making a new category. Sorry bud

Of course it's a new class/category of AW!

Weren't all the other registration periods as well?

What is preventing the legislature from doing what it has already done? AWCA has already been held constitutional by the CA Supremes in 2000. Perhaps it's time to re-examine the Act and the regs? Leave that to the lawyers.

Meno ought to just wake up and smell the damn coffee. Duh.

[meno377]

Meno you're late, they already said they are making a new category. Sorry bud

Can you show where they said that? I would like to read it myself.

[goog]

Y'all need Jesus.

[Rusty_Shackleferd]

This thread has devolved into autistic bickering.

[SOCOgunguy]

Trump would register !

[Discogodfather]

Of course it's a new class/category of AW!

Weren't all the other registration periods as well?

What is preventing the legislature from doing what it has already done? AWCA has already been held constitutional by the CA Supremes in 2000. Perhaps it's time to re-examine the Act and the regs? Leave that to the lawyers.

The reg period categories only have to do with Roberti-Roos on list naming, correct? That's the only semantic difference between the reg periods. The actual definition of an AW and features has never changed since 2000?

[lrdchivalry]

The actual definition of an AW and features has never changed since 2000?

that does not have a fixed
magazine but has any one of the following:

The bolded portion is the change. The old verbiage had stated the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following.

[Discogodfather]

that does not have a fixed
magazine but has any one of the following:

The bolded portion is the change. The old verbiage had stated the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following.

Right, but there is no change of definition in terms of features regarding any of the three previous reg periods, correct? 89,00,and 01 are all the same rifles with the same features, just some naming nomenclature from Roberti Roos?

[lrdchivalry]

Right, but there is no change of definition in terms of features regarding any of the three previous reg periods, correct? 89,00,and 01 are all the same rifles with the same features, just some naming nomenclature from Roberti Roos?

The original ban list and series ban (Kasler list) do not mention features, only weapons by name, SB 23 is where features were specifically stated.

If I am not mistaken SB 23 came about because gun manufactures were just changing the names of the weapons and continuing to sell in California. As I stated earlier there was a change when 30515 was amended.

I do know the AG no longer has the authority to add weapons onto the list governed under 30510.

Hope that answers your question.

[Clif]

Until then, I encourage everyone to register their BB AR's and if you want to go featureless, buy a second rifle. First, we may get Rule 5477 defeated in court. Second, even if we lose, featureless rifles may (in the future) require mag lock modification or registry as "featureless AWs" - and having a featured RAW will grandfather the rifle, and allow you to drop mags with just a tool.

This x1000

Your post assumes 3 things.

1) how is a mini 14 or m1a going to get a mag lock? Those are "featureless" rifles.

2) how holl having a featured raw gradfather in your featureless rifle? Your raw doesnt grandfather in weapons, PC does.

3) allow me to drop a mag with a tool? First off you assumed that rule 5477 would be defeated, but at the end, it seems you are not sure. And plus, featureless do not need BB's as most will not even fit/work on featureless rifles.

[Clif]

. The actual definition of an AW and features has never changed since 2000?

Yes, they just changed this year.