MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[Clif]

Does anyone know the legal definition (under PC, not CalDOJ Regs) for Detachable Magazine (not fixed/non-fixed magazine)?

All I can find is 30515 (b) for fixed magazine.

[Cokebottle]

Does anyone know the legal definition (under PC, not CalDOJ Regs) for Detachable Magazine (not fixed/non-fixed magazine)?

It doesn't matter because the new PC states "which does not have a fixed magazine"

It doesn't matter if it is detachable or "not detachable"

[Cokebottle]

Actually, It doesn't really have to have a handguard. It would be ugly, but it doesn't need it to function.

The non-fixed magazine outside of the grip constitutes AW status.

[Clif]

It doesn't matter because the new PC states "which does not have a fixed magazine"

It doesn't matter if it is detachable or "not detachable"

It says that for 30515 (a) (1) [CFR] and 30515 (a) (4) [Pistols] but not for 30515 (a) (7) [Shotguns], instead that says "that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine"

[3000+]

Slightly off-topic, but this may be a tie-breaker for me....

I live in a cottage near my university that belongs to a landlord. As far as the address for registering, I would rather she not know there's a RAW in the backyard. Unfortunately my name isn't on any of the bills or paperwork for the property. I guess I could give my home address, but I assume that's illegal if the RAW doesn't reside there, and there's the same problem with my name not being on paperwork. Is there any way that I can register on the downlow without anyone besides the government knowing?

[Clif]

The non-fixed magazine outside of the grip constitutes AW status.

I wasn't talking about pistols, i was talking about shotguns. If it is banned (detachable magazine), it has to be defined somewhere in that statute or following referencing statute somewhere.

[Clif]

Slightly off-topic, but this may be a tie-breaker for me....

I live in a cottage near my university that belongs to a landlord. As far as the address for registering, I would rather she not know there's a RAW in the backyard. Unfortunately my name isn't on any of the bills or paperwork for the property. I guess I could give my home address, but I assume that's illegal if the RAW doesn't reside there, and there's the same problem with my name not being on paperwork. Is there any way that I can register on the downlow without anyone besides the government knowing?

Go featureless or BB2.0

[Cokebottle]

Slightly off-topic, but this may be a tie-breaker for me....

I live in a cottage near my university that belongs to a landlord. As far as the address for registering, I would rather she not know there's a RAW in the backyard. Unfortunately my name isn't on any of the bills or paperwork for the property. I guess I could give my home address, but I assume that's illegal if the RAW doesn't reside there, and there's the same problem with my name not being on paperwork. Is there any way that I can register on the downlow without anyone besides the government knowing?

Vehicle registration

[CSACANNONEER]

even without a magazine, the firearm lacked the ability to detach a magazine without a tool

people still dont get that

What people don't get is that the law states/stated "the ability to accept a detachable magazine".

It doesn't matter because the new PC states "which does not have a fixed magazine"

It doesn't matter if it is detachable or "not detachable"

So many here will never understand that a mag fed firearm can have a fixed magazine as defined by the law, the ability to accept a detachable magazine as defined by the law or a third option which a bullet buttoned firearm has. In other words, a bullet buttoned firearm is not a fixed magazine firearm as defined by the law nor is it capable of accepting a detachable magazine as defined by the law.

[Clif]

What people don't get is that the law states/stated "the ability to accept a detachable magazine".



So many here will never understand that a mag fed firearm can have a fixed magazine as defined by the law, the ability to accept a detachable magazine as defined by the law or a third option which a bullet buttoned firearm has. In other words, a bullet buttoned firearm is not a fixed magazine firearm as defined by the law nor is it capable of accepting a detachable magazine as defined by the law.

So can you please show me the legal definition of "detachable magazine"? I can only find it listed, not defined. Please help. I need to know if my shotgun has a "detachable magazine" as defined by law.

I assumed it said "fixed magazine" as it does in 30515 (a) (1) and 30515 (a) (4), until I read it and found instead of "fixed magazine" it said "detachable magazine".

[Drew Eckhardt]

It is impossible for an AR pistol to be "featurless". An AR Pistol will always have a barrel shroud (handguards), which is one of the evil features listed, therefore, it will always have features.

Most handguards are separate from the barrel nut and readily removed.

The federal 1994 HR3355 shroud prohibition, thread ban, and 50 ounce weight limit brought us the Olympic OA-98 AR pistol:

[Clif]

Most handguards are separate from the barrel nut and readily removed.

The federal 1994 HR3355 shroud prohibition, thread ban, and 50 ounce weight limit brought us the Olympic OA-98 AR pistol:

Most of the AR Pistols I have seen, and the ones I own, have the free float barrel handguard, which is part of the barrel nut. As the carbine handguards are too long and wont fit on a pistol. The only pistol I saw that would work with is a pistol with a 12" barrel with carbine handguards. So to be "featureless", you need to buy a AR pistol that was pre-1996 from Fed ban?

[Drew Eckhardt]

Most of the AR Pistols I have seen, and the ones I own, have the free float barrel handguard, which is part of the barrel nut. As the carbine handguards are too long and wont fit on a pistol. The only pistol I saw that would work with is a pistol with a 12" barrel with carbine handguards. So to be "featureless", you need to buy a AR pistol that was pre-1996 from Fed ban?

Quality floating handguards came with separate barrel nuts to guarantee peoples' bipod studs were on the bottom of their gun, and now most of them are built that way so 1913/mlok/keymod/etc. accessory mounts time correctly. My Aero Precision, Armalite, Fulton Armory, and Midwest Industries were all two or three piece. Plenty come in a 4" length.

For featureless a $6 standard barrel nut would work. I haven't seen one since Bill Clinton was president, although apparently you can still buy them:

[IVC]

what if leave the bb on and add the ambi release for the other side?

lefty world problems>

In all the bickering, this great idea got lost. Magazine release lever is on the left side of the lower and it's not addressed in the new regulations. This indeed allows adding ambidextrous release even if one keep the BB.

[Cokebottle]

Most of the AR Pistols I have seen, and the ones I own, have the free float barrel handguard, which is part of the barrel nut. As the carbine handguards are too long and wont fit on a pistol. The only pistol I saw that would work with is a pistol with a 12" barrel with carbine handguards. So to be "featureless", you need to buy a AR pistol that was pre-1996 from Fed ban?

As I mentioned above... you can't be featureless on an AR pistol.
The magazine attaching outside of the pistol grip is in and of itself a "Feature"

The only way to be featureless is for it to have a fixed magazine, and in that case, the barrel shroud does not matter.