MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[Sousuke]

they did, the title of the Regulations is, "Bullet Button Assault Weapons".

Did they say its a new category? If so where?

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

Which is not a crime if it's registered. Period.

Try reading the question I was responding to first. lol.

[TonyNorCal]

I think I'll register one, but I'll likely make a few mistakes in regard to uploading photos.

I think these mistakes may involve the inadvertent uploading of some gratuitous, close-up pics of my junk. There may also be one of my gaping, hairy hole.

Oh, sorry for the mistake. And, upon further consideration, I am not going to register after-all. So Sorry. Of course, I may change my mind again next week, and I really am careless at times with photos, so who knows what might be next.

[dieselpower]

Did they say its a new category? If so where?

they never said anything about categories in the law.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...r=2.&article=1.

its simply the way we talk about them.

[jcwatchdog]

Obviously you think you're right, but what DOJ is declaring as of yesterday is that you're wrong.

They are not talking about rifles, they are talking about assault weapons with bullet buttons. See time machine reference earlier in this thread.

So if I register an AW, and then take off all features completely and turn it in to something that is not an AW, does it magically not become one now? No of course not. It has to be "deregistwred" first, and there is a provision for this.

But if you remove a bullet button, where is the provision for the DOJ to revoke your registration and now claim you are in possession of an unregistered Aw?

[God Bless America]

As of January 1st, before I register or do anything with that, what am I in possession of if I have a BB ar15? The regulations are only for the registration. I don't want to hear about "you would be in possession of a pre 2016 B.B. Assault weapon. As the law states, not the regs for registrations, what am I possession of? The answer is I'm in possession of an AW with a detachable magazine per the new law.

Regulations are part of law, you know. That you don't want to hear about something, does not make it not so.

[bobbodaggit]

If they go that route they are in trouble as the penal code does not allow for it.

OK. So there are two arguments.

1) No BB is necessary on a currently BB'd but non- AW, which the owner plans to register as an AW after tomorrow since the penal code doesn't define a new class of BB'd AWs. I.e. there is only one class of AW.

Or

2) A BB is necessary to be kept on rifle to be registered next year as an AW since to remove it would be manufacturing an AW and such a non-registered AW could not be legally configured that way today or next year. DOJ defined a new class of AWs which is in line with the legislation.

Both sound plausible and will probably be argued in lawsuits and test cases to come.

Featureless sounds easier. Just my thought.

[Malthusian]

and we go around again.

the regulation to register requires you not change the magazine release.

if you change the magazine release, you have voided the registration.

We need a sticky on this post

It needs to be at the top of every page

Some people just need a pithy answer

[Bolt_Action]

Same here, I'm done answering questions haha.

If only that were true. The day you stop trolling this forum will a great day for us all.

[jcwatchdog]

and we go around again.

the regulation to register requires you not change the magazine release.

if you change the magazine release, you have voided the registration.

I'm still pouring outer the regulations that were released to tell me about this "voided registration" you speak of. There is plenty of information in the regulations to say what you CAN'T register. You would think they would have mentioned something about voided registration if it was such an important tenet of the regulations.


So far, all I'm seeing is that the whole voided registration was made up out of thin air in this very thread. In a response from someone who didn't know how to answer "what is the penalty for removing the BB after registration".

[Redwoodm4]

DOJ regulations are California Code of Regulations right? Many fish and game codes and violations in state parks are ccr's as well. These are arrestable offenses granted most are misdemeanors or infractions. Just something to think about, ya no PC violation for removing bb but it's a ccr violation right?

[IVC]

Just a head's up that I feel like I am repeating myself and am losing interest in explaining the same thing in dozens of different ways but:
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PC 30680(b).

I am clear now on your position, thanks. It's all about 30680(b) and what it establishes.

I would argue that the phrase "lawfully possessed that assault weapon prior to 2017" is there to establish timeline for acquiring the firearm, not to imply a specific configuration. If I register a rifle with BB in 2017 it becomes "that assault weapon" in the statute and I certainly possessed it legally in 2016, all the way to 12/31/2016. To state otherwise is to claim that I possessed it in illegal configuration prior to 1/1/17, which is not true.

30680(b) doesn't say anything about "that assault weapon" having to be NOW in configuration that was legal THEN. Only that it must have been possessed legally THEN. Having *had* BB on it until 2017 satisfies the condition that "that assault weapon was lawfully possessed prior to 2017."

So, I will certainly heed your advice and watch how it develops, but won't bug you with extra questions.

[Bolt_Action]

But if you remove a bullet button, where is the provision for the DOJ to revoke your registration and now claim you are in possession of an unregistered Aw?

There is no such provision. People here are just making it up. This would be like the DMV canceling your vehicle registration so they can pull you over while you drive down freeway.

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

If only that were true. The day you stop trolling this forum will a great day for us all.

lol. Since you didnt' do what I asked you to do, I will do it for you. Here was the question I was responding to:

As of January 1st, before I register or do anything with that, what am I in possession of if I have a BB ar15?

See that? "before I register"

Duh!!!!

[jcwatchdog]

DOJ regulations are California Code of Regulations right? Many fish and game codes and violations in state parks are ccr's as well. These are arrestable offenses granted most are misdemeanors or infractions. Just something to think about, ya no PC violation for removing bb but it's a ccr violation right?

I think that might have something to do with that you are in a "state park". Driving down a public road, you would have to do something against a PC to be arrested or ticketed.