MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[Cokebottle]

If firearm is registered as an AW, what makes a felony here?

How does it conflict with the prohibition of not changing out the BB?

5477 (a): "The release mechanism for an ammunition feeding device on an assault weapon registered pursuant to Penal Code section 30900, subdivision (b)(1) shall not be changed after the assault weapon is registered."

Thanks for your input.

As mentioned above, it's risky.
If DOJ claims that the addition of the magnet changed the release mechanism, then they can revoke the registration.

[tonyxcom]

Is there a system of revoking registration? I don't see anything that says anything about that.

It would be helpful if you actually read the PDF thats been linked in multiple threads. The de-registration process is described in detail.

They also describe in part what could cause your registration to not be approved, if thats what you mean by revoke.

[BAJ475]

The description of home-builders as "Unlicensed Subjects" is at least delightfully frank as to their opinion of us.

Yes, I will be filling a protest with the new AG demanding a formal apology. I am not a "Subject" and government officials are not royalty.

[jcwatchdog]

Such lawful penalty clearly does not exist, but it may be that the DOJ intends to use that clause to revoke registrations if caught in that configuration. If they did, post 2018, there may be no grace period to fix features making it an issue to have it immediately revoked as not a valid registration.

This needs to be fought in the courts and I'm sure is already in progress.


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Possibly, but even that threat isn't spelled out anywhere, not even in the regulations. They're very careful to tell you what you can and can't do, and at the same time, not threatening you with any specific action that is not spelled out in the law because they can't make threats without a law to back them up. They can't accept registration as the law provides, and then threaten to revoke the registration on their own without a law that says the registration can be revoked if you don't do X Y and Z (with X Y and Z not part of anything except in the mind of some random person at the DOJ).

[Sousuke]

It would be helpful if you actually read the PDF thats been linked in multiple threads. The de-registration process is described in detail.

They also describe in part what could cause your registration to not be approved, if thats what you mean by revoke.

I have read it, and no where does it describe how the DOJ can revoke a registration once successful. Which is is an important point to people saying losing registration is a penalty...its not in there.

De-registration is not revocation.

[ifilef]

One that can only be removed by disassembly of the action. That much has been clear since Brown signed SB880

And it is now defined in the regs with an example that will probably make most vendors pleased.

[ugimports]

5471(hh)
4 - A stripped AR-15 lower receiver when sold at a California gun store is not a semiautomatic firearm. (The action type among other things is undetermined)

Ironically in the DROS system you have to choose an action type for receivers. In most cases semi-auto is chosen. For receivers such as Rem 700s I choose bolt action.

[SkyHawk]

They are asking for pictures, the same upper used over and over will be kinda obvious. The compliance letter is up to their discretion

The CCR states they can and will ask for additional information

Handguards are cheap, $5 for a std carbine set, and Krylon is cheap too. $10 or less to make an upper look 'different' - not that you'd need to. A standard PSA complete upper from a basic rifle kit looks like 100,000 others. They're going to get plenty of 'same' upper photos, from thousands of people.

[BAJ475]

Not the first time the DOJ has pushed underground legislation

Is it not underground. It was submitted to the OAL. They do not have to approve it. In any event, it does not appear that the regs will go into effect before Feb of next year.

[Steve1968LS2]

So my PS90.. the ONLY gun I was going to register as an AW is screwed since it uses a "fake can" to meet the 30-inch overall deal.. I guess I could make the stock longer.. or can I epoxy over the set screw on the fake can?

How can they make these changes a day before the law goes into effect.. that seems nearly criminal..

Oh wait, they don't care...

Ideas? can I just epoxy over the set screw on the fake can extension.. that's considered permanent on a magazine.

Again, the fact that they do this a day before the law starts shows a complete disrespect for citizens trying to be lawful. I can see why our forfathers chose rebellion against the tyrants..

Amazing

[ugimports]

It's the part about manufacturing or assembling an AW. You look up the section and penalty. It exists whether you want it to or not.

So you're pulling yours off, right? Post pics!

If you already have an AW how is it manufacturing an AW? It already is one. That's what's confusing.

You have a registered AW. Changing the magazine release = mfg an AW. But it was an AW to begin with. Weird catch-22.

[recpark99]

Recently there have been dangerous speeding wheelbarrows in my neighborhood. So...The anti wheelbarrow people decided to ban all wheelbarrows by name as to be sure no one can push them fast here anymore unless the register them with the state of Komifornia. Done.
Well there was a work around....A crafty American made a wheelbarrow that is of another brand name and is now selling it. It goes just as fast when the guy down the street pushes it. So lets ban it by features....ball bearing wheels, two poles to push, and a large cavity for carrying cargo. Right? Done.

Another crafty American made a wheelbarrow with a different name from the first list and changed the two pole push method with a large single pole. The cargo was also restricted by law to two grocery bags, even though it could structurally handle 8. The new single pole was not convenient to push but a doable work around for the speeding wheelbarrow enthusiast to continuing posessing....However, legal to have.
Now.... no one has been given a citation for speeding the two grocery bag restricted wheelbarrow in the neighborhood with any of the features of illegal wheelbarrows in 26 years.... but they are still so very dangerous speeding around the neighborhood with two bags of groceries in all of the various configurations to the people that don't like wheelbarrows of any type.
So the anti wheelbarrow people want to ban the wheelbarrows that were previously banned by name and feature but include the most recent legal single push pole and call it a dangerous wheelbarrow that is equally as dangerous as the two pole type listed by name and feature.....

Now the same people want to outlaw the inconvenient single push type and label it as dangerous as the first listed by name and the second listed by features.
But...according to the non pushing wheelbarrow people, the new wheelbarrows are equal to the others in all ways. So they want to make them illegal as well.
They also want to restrict the new wheelbarrows from being modified to work or look like any of the previously banned wheelbarrows because they are dangerous and can be pushed to speed as well.
So if you put a square tire on your wheelbarrow, restrict its cargo to 2 grocery bags and run it with a single push pole....its legal for you to have, otherwise you must register your wheelbarow with any configuration that includes a round wheel....

Confused???

UGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Hilarious! This is why they banned grocery bags. It all makes sense now!

[tonyxcom]

I have read it, and no where does it describe how the DOJ can revoke a registration once successful. Which is is an important point to people saying losing registration is a penalty...its not in there.

De-registration is not revocation.

My apologies, I completely misunderstood your question.

[jcwatchdog]

It would be helpful if you actually read the PDF thats been linked in multiple threads. The de-registration process is described in detail.

They also describe in part what could cause your registration to not be approved, if thats what you mean by revoke.

No, those sections have nothing to do with what he is talking about. The issue is, if you remove the bullet button, what can they do to you. Some people say you will be charged with a felony, but a felony of what exactly I'm not sure, no one that is saying this has been able to cite anything.

Some people are saying if you register your bullet button ar and then after the registration, remove the bullet button, the DOJ will revoke your registration. Again, this is something completely made up and is listed no where in the regulations or the law.

[jcwatchdog]

It's the part about manufacturing or assembling an AW. You look up the section and penalty. It exists whether you want it to or not.

So you're pulling yours off, right? Post pics!

Yeah, I just assembled and manufactured an AW that was already registered as an AW. Are you really this dense?