MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

The challenge would be about the *refusal* to register a firearm that fits the definition of the law (was BB prior to 2017, is an AW in 2017 due to BB/detachable magazine law).

Do you think it would be unwinnable (it's a serious question, not a smart@$$ rhetorical one)?

Yes, I think it's 100% unwinnable. What you'd effectively be asking the court to do is re-open registration for a previously banned AR configuration and that would be the framework for any interpretation the court would do. I think you'd need a much more compelling textual basis than the "well it's defined as an AW now so it doesn't matter if it has a BB or a standard mag release" argument, again IMO. DOJ is empowered to make regulations to implement the bullet button firearm ban and the " no registration of firearms meeting definition of AW under prior law", "must provide digital pics of bullet button release", and "can't change release device" regulations are all consistent with the legislative purpose of banning and allowing a time-limited registration period for bullet button firearms. Can you make an argument that you meet the requirement for registration that you lawfully possessed the firearm in a BB configuration through 12/31/16, and once defined as an AW the release mechanism BB vs. standard is irrelevant? Sure. But that would be your interpretation competing against DOJ's interpretation, which the statute authorizes it to make via regulation, and i think you would lose that one.

[tonyxcom]

I did a rough OCR conversion in Acrobat to make the text searchable and cut-and-pasteable.

Please confirm with the original - but beats typing it out.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4481604/ROUGH-OCR-CONVERSION-PLEASE-CHECK-AGAINST-ORIG.pdf

[Just Dave]

What a joke.

[ifilef]

It's the part about manufacturing or assembling an AW. You look up the section and penalty. It exists whether you want it to or not.

So you're pulling yours off, right? Post pics!

What if it's already registered as an AW? How could one be charged with manufacturing?

[PartyBarge]

I don't understand why they made such an allowance for featureless. I get the evil features they covet, but with as much latitude as they took on this release, why stop where they did with such an obvious work around?

[NOMADCHRIS]

I just got a email from fpc saying that the doj says even if we register as AW we still cant remove the bullet button anyone else get this email or know whats going on?

[BAJ475]

What is stopping someone from taking multiple lower receivers and registering them one by one with the same parts?

If I own two or more lower receivers for the same type of rifle (AR-15) how could the DOJ say that I didn't already build both of them?

It does say that they have to be complete when registered. But if not registered at the same time, why not. Just an extra $15. How about the situation where you have 4 complete lowers and 4 complete uppers. Does anyone see anything in the regulations that would prevent one from registering 16 different combinations?

[Cokebottle]

Handguards are cheap, $5 for a std carbine set, and Krylon is cheap too. $10 or less to make an upper look 'different' - not that you'd need to. A standard PSA complete upper from a basic rifle kit looks like 100,000 others. They're going to get plenty of 'same' upper photos, from thousands of people.

Ya... without looking at the bolt, you can't tell the difference on the exterior between my Stag 22lr dedicated upper and my Armalite DEF-15.

[penguinman]

I did a rough OCR conversion in Acrobat to make the text searchable and cut-and-pasteable.

Please confirm with the original - but beats typing it out.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...AINST-ORIG.pdf

Thank you for this. You win one internet.

[BAJ475]

I do hope that someone/anyone that is willing to register/comply with this BS please include a middle finger in the photos that they submit.

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I did not see anything in the proposed regs to prevent that.

[penguinman]

I just got a email from fpc saying that the doj says even if we register as AW we still cant remove the bullet button anyone else get this email or know whats going on?

Yup. Specifically says mag release can't be changed once registered, and has to be registered with BB attached.

[Just Dave]

I don't understand why they made such an allowance for featureless. I get the evil features they covet, but with as much latitude as they took on this release, why stop where they did with such an obvious work around?

I think that would entail an outright ban on all semi auto rifles, I doubt it would hold up in any court including CA.

This is funny.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2015/06/24/nearly-one-million-new-yorkers-didnt-register-their-assault-weapons/#9e390cebdf2e

[PartyBarge]

I just got a email from fpc saying that the doj says even if we register as AW we still cant remove the bullet button anyone else get this email or know whats going on?

That is correct, once registered, BB stays.

[Smedkcuf]

Handguards are cheap, $5 for a std carbine set, and Krylon is cheap too. $10 or less to make an upper look 'different' - not that you'd need to. A standard PSA complete upper from a basic rifle kit looks like 100,000 others. They're going to get plenty of 'same' upper photos, from thousands of people.

What if they demand receipts for the uppers shown in the photos before they approve your registration?

[ifilef]

I have read it, and no where does it describe how the DOJ can revoke a registration once successful. Which is is an important point to people saying losing registration is a penalty...its not in there.

De-registration is not revocation.

Agree.