MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[Cokebottle]

Can someone give their take on the significance of 5471(m)?

First paragraph my take is that a BB is not a detachable magazine. But not fixed magazine either (and specifically 'referred to' in 30900(b)(1) as registrable as AW and in 301515 as an AW.).

Second paragraph of it I'm having some difficulty.

What are they saying?

And what's the significance of attaching that magnet button to the BB in light of today's regulations? Assume registration as an AW first. Lawful? Unlawful? Beats me..

The definitions:
Detachable magazine (no tool needed)
Unable to accept a detachable magazine (tool needed, no disassembly)
Fixed magazine (disassembly of action)
Permanently attached magazine (welded or otherwise not removable)

Given that they are requiring the BB to remain in place after registration, it appears that they are indeed creating a new class, and thus, a BB'd AW with a detachable magazine would not be consistent with the registered configuration.

IOTW: The Mag Magnet changes the status from "Unable to accept a detachable magazine" to "Detachable magazine" thus the Felony Button remains a Felony Button.

[meno377]

That's what I gather, but now rimfire also?

Rimfire Pistol. I don't see rimfire rifle.

[tonyxcom]

I have posted plenty of solutions that anyone from any walk of life can do to quit paying Cali to enslave us

I missed them, can you repost?

[Kestryll]

Posting to try and wake people out of their stupor. Do you see a bright side in this law or the comments?
I see no upside in any of the gun laws in this state that are being upheld by the ninth, and taking centuries to make its way to scotus if they even might make it there.

I have posted plenty of solutions that anyone from any walk of life can do to quit paying Cali to enslave us

You're not doing any good and more likely are alienating your 'target audience' as well as clouding things with useless drive by comments.

You've been around long enough to know how that ends.

[God Bless America]

What's hilarious about this is that a disassembled AR-15 is not a "semiautomatic" firearm. So a criminal could have a complete free state lower and upper both in his possession, drive around with them in a separated configuration in his trunk, and not commit a felony until he assembles the weapon 15 seconds before he starts shooting.

Uh the draft regulations say exactly the opposite.

[IVC]

You have a firearm configured in a way that would not be lawful to possess prior to January 1, 2017 (assuming it was not already registered as an AW back in 2000 or whatever year that was), so why should DOJ register it?

Because it was in legal configuration in 2016 (i.e., with BB), it was sold as a BB rifle and there is no current law that would forbid legal modifications of one's firearm. That's what the law specifies we need to register, no?

The removal of BB in 2017 is an equivalent of, e.g., changing the pistol grip for one with finger grooves.

[penguinman]

Yeah, well you don't have a loaded handgun until you insert a magazine with cartridges in the magwell.

It also an interesting out for the hide it in the safe folks.

[ifilef]

I'm trying to track what you are saying, PM me if you must.

But
(f) says a bullet button does not meet the definition of fixed magazine.
(m) first defines what a detachable magazine is and says a magnet left in a bullet button would be considered a detachable magazine.

5470(a)
If your assault weapon doesn't have a fixed magazine it must be registered.

So...
Fixed Magazine - No registration required.
Detachable Magazine - Registration required.

So what about registering and then attaching that magnet device to the BB that comes close to rendering it similar to a magazine release?

Lawful? Why?

Unlawful? Why?

[Librarian]

Usability of the Mag Magnet may not be an issue anymore though...

magnet, left on the bullet-button, makes the gun so it does not have a fixed mag; para 2, 5471 (m).

This will be easier to see when we get a 'clean' copy of the regs; the current OCR version has a few problems.

[truthseeker]

They are asking for pictures, the same upper used over and over will be kinda obvious. The compliance letter is up to their discretion

The CCR states they can and will ask for additional information

Photoshop different colored handguards!!

[tonyxcom]

So what about registering and then attaching that magnet device to the BB that comes close to rendering it similar to a magazine release?

Lawful? Why?

Unlawful? Why?

I understand the argument.

[Cokebottle]

LOL! So, my guess is that if you "leave in" the bullet button so that the BB functions like a standard mag release, then you have a detachable magazine. However, if you use to drop a mag and remove it from the BB and attach it to the dust cover, then you do not have a detachable magazine.

However, when the cops show up and take it off your dust cover and put it in your BB, then you got "issues."

So back to mounting small pins to the bottom of the magazines.
No separate tool to lose (I must have 50 G-Picks and can't find any of them)

[PartyBarge]

Rimfire Pistol. I don't see rimfire rifle.

I wonder why the distinction.

[PatC415]

magnet, left on the bullet-button, makes the gun so it does not have a fixed mag; para 2, 5471 (m).

This will be easier to see when we get a 'clean' copy of the regs; the current OCR version has a few problems.

So now that a rifle with a "bullet button" is NOT considered a fixed magazine, what exactly IS a fixed magazine?

[EBR Works]

That's what I gather, but now rimfire also?

Rimfire pistol with AW features (magwell outside grip) is affected. Needed a BB prior to 2017 anyway. Register or fixed mag going forward.