MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[penguinman]

I did not see anything in the proposed regs to prevent that.

Oh, I assume there will be some hilarious ones.

[AlexDD]

So if I am understanding correctly....

Everyone in California who owns

1.) a mag locked shotgun (Saiga, etc...) or
2.) a mag locked pistol (AK, AR, etc...)

must register their weapon if they wish to keep and use in the state or face violating the law. They also must keep it in that configuration.

For all other mag locked rifles, going featureless avoids registration and one would not need to register.

[BAJ475]

Funny how most everyone on this site thought that you'd be able to change to a standard mag release after registering. It was pretty clear that wasn't the case from the beginning.....

The regs are just proposals at this point. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched. I will be offering to be a plaintiff in the suit to challenge this restriction if it makes it through the OAL, or I may just file my own action.

[Discogodfather]

The regs are just proposals at this point. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched. I will be offering to be a plaintiff in the suit to challenge this restriction if it makes it through the OAL, or I may just file my own action.

They did just withdraw their crappy Mag regs, any hope of that here?

What about the timetable? When do these regs become official? Fabio said in a few pages back that this does in fact take effect on the 1st?

[skyscraper]

The regs are just proposals at this point. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched. I will be offering to be a plaintiff in the suit to challenge this restriction if it makes it through the OAL, or I may just file my own action.

Not proposals.. File and Print:

It's "file and print," OAL is not reviewing the regulations, they're effective 1/1/17.

This is the actual file, check the first page : "File and print"

http://213ajq29v6vk19b76q3534cx.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/doj.pdf

[ifilef]

Is it not underground. It was submitted to the OAL. They do not have to approve it. In any event, it does not appear that the regs will go into effect before Feb of next year.

It's probably not underground because they voted to bypass the checks and balances of the APA. The APA does not apply because it was statutorily exempted in amd. PC 30900(b)(5).

I am new to the topic of underground regs but here is a link that'll get one started:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1286347

[God Bless America]

What if it's already registered as an AW? How could one be charged with manufacturing?

Manufacturing a pre-2000 AW.

I understand that you don't agree, maybe you don't understand,, but there it is, whether you agree with it or not.

[Shadowdrop]

SB 880 regulations are exempt from OAL. These will be the regs. They are simply submitting them to have them filed and published.

As far as revocation not being spelled out, it doesn't have to be. The regs are their rules saying, "don't do it." If you do it, they kick you out of the club. The law defers the rules of AW registration to the CA DOJ and they have a great deal of leeway. Prove me wrong.

[John Browning]

Honest question: Why would anyone register if you have other legal options? I get, respect and admire that many will not comply because of the morality of taking a stand against tyrannical BS. If we all took that stand, this couldn't fly. However, if you're not brave enough to take the stand, why not take a much easier and more profitable route?

If you have a pistol that can't be made featureless and don't have an out of state residence to store it, I can understand that situation. For everybody else, why not just go to a new compliance device or go featureless?

I see no honest reason to even consider registration if other legally valid options exist. There is nothing to be gained, everything to be lost, and other options available.

[reverser]

And what if I bought one of my uppers from a guy at a range that didn't give me a receipt and I never knew his name? They have to prove I don't own the upper. If they want to see it in person, they should either come to my house to look at it or pay me to drive and show it to them. Either way, how do they know it is a different upper from the other one if they don't see all of the rifles at once?

As my grandmother would say... IF IF IF IF IF!!!

What if they demand receipts for the uppers shown in the photos before they approve your registration?

[sd_shooter]

That is correct, once registered, BB stays.

My prediction:
- No one will register
- Everyone will get a grip wrap
- Next year: grip wrap illegal (this year's legal option is always next year's 'loophole')

End of AR15 in Kali.

[BAJ475]

FPC now saying it looks like we'll be stuck with bullet buttons

http://firearmspolicy.us7.list-manag...b&e=a18676b4e7

I do not think that they are saying that we are stuck with it, but rather that is what the proposed regs say. Given that IMHO there is no statutory basis to support such a regulation, I will file suit if this makes it through the OAL and the FPC does not file suit first.

[Cokebottle]

So if I am understanding correctly....

Everyone in California who owns

1.) a mag locked shotgun (Saiga, etc...) or
2.) a mag locked pistol (AK, AR, etc...)

must register their weapon if they wish to keep and use in the state or face violating the law. They also must keep it in that configuration.

Or meet the new definition of fixed magazine.

Patriot Button, ARMaglock, Franklin DFM
There is also a lock available for the AK pattern, don't know if it is compatible with Saiga mags or not as the mags do require modification.

[John Browning]

I do not think that they are saying that we are stuck with it, but rather that is what the proposed regs say. Given that IMHO there is no statutory basis to support such a regulation, I will file suit if this makes it through the OAL and the FPC does not file suit first.

These regulations are the final version. They're "read and file."

Courts are open Jan 2nd.

[John Browning]

Or meet the new definition of fixed magazine.

Patriot Button, ARMaglock, Franklin DFM
There is also a lock available for the AK pattern, don't know if it is compatible with Saiga mags or not as the mags do require modification.

Or go featureless. With an AK, take off the pistol grip. Change the muzzle device in some cases.

Voila!