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  • XYZ
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2010
    • 5481

    Originally posted by zoglog
    Hmmm I remember that lady had to leave early last season because her father was ill. I'm guessing she was able to leave on special circumstances?
    Tara left early because of her father's condition. There have been other contestants on Survivor that had left early as well due to family members illnesses.
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    • Cokebottle
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      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Oct 2009
      • 32373

      Originally posted by zoglog
      OH SNAP! George Just pulled off the INH2MF!
      Yup.

      As soon as I heard that, I thought "That's not smart at this stage in the game."

      That's the attitude to take when you're in the final 4 or 5. Right now, the game (and it is a game) is more about politics than shooting ability.



      And Jay's going to go home with a million bucks and another million in BassPro gift cards
      - Rich

      Originally posted by dantodd
      A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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      • Steve1968LS2
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Feb 2010
        • 9275

        Enjoying the show..

        And for the record.. the blowgun idea next week was mine..

        We were shooting Colby's Camaro for our magazine and I said they should do blowguns next season.. he thought it was a cool idea.

        Anyways, that's my claim to fame.. lol

        I'm also liking the weapons better this year.
        Originally posted by tony270
        It's easy to be a keyboard warrior, you would melt like wax in front of me, you wouldn't be able to move your lips.
        Member: Patron member NRA, lifetime member SAF, CRPA

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        • zoglog
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 1059

          Originally posted by Steve1968LS2
          I'm also liking the weapons better this year.
          1911 Junkie

          I'm still waiting for the ridiculous comparisons of crossbows being the anti tank guns of the middle ages so I can pull off a massive facepalm
          so far all we've got is the razor cat being the 1911 on steroids........

          plates & other objects being obliterated = yay
          exploding targets... yeah we can do without those..... But I understand why they "have" to have them.
          More guns for followers of the FSM!

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          • odysseus
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Dec 2005
            • 10407

            The whole thing with Jay and the saucer-cup grip as I understand it is he doesn't want to try to hone a new technique to him while he is trying to compete. It is obvious he has a less than optimal grip but he doesn't want to risk trying to learn this while competing. I think he alluded to that already in a quick audio snip they had. It's a risk he is taking to stay on with what he knows and it shows it pays off well enough thus far.

            I get the feeling that while these guys\gals are on the show, they are not allowed to be doing their own range time off the camera.
            "Just leave me alone, I know what to do." - Kimi Raikkonen

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            • 9mmepiphany
              Calguns Addict
              • Jul 2008
              • 8075

              I thought everyone knew that...the only range time they get is the 30 mins with the expert who introduces the weapon de jour to them
              ...because the journey is the worthier part...The Shepherd's Tale

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              • Steve1968LS2
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2010
                • 9275

                Originally posted by zoglog
                1911 Junkie

                I'm still waiting for the ridiculous comparisons of crossbows being the anti tank guns of the middle ages so I can pull off a massive facepalm
                so far all we've got is the razor cat being the 1911 on steroids........

                plates & other objects being obliterated = yay
                exploding targets... yeah we can do without those..... But I understand why they "have" to have them.
                Well, the crossbow was developed to defeat armor.. so...
                Originally posted by tony270
                It's easy to be a keyboard warrior, you would melt like wax in front of me, you wouldn't be able to move your lips.
                Member: Patron member NRA, lifetime member SAF, CRPA

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                • Turbinator
                  Administrator
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 11960

                  Originally posted by zoglog
                  plates & other objects being obliterated = yay
                  Anyone notice how non-environmentally friendly a majority of the targets are?

                  Glass??

                  Plates???

                  Wow...

                  Turby

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                  • jakuda
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 515

                    Originally posted by Turbinator
                    Anyone notice how non-environmentally friendly a majority of the targets are?

                    Glass??

                    Plates???

                    Wow...

                    Turby
                    Depends on the plates. Cheap pottery is biodegradable.

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                    • Turbinator
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                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 11960

                      Originally posted by jakuda
                      Depends on the plates. Cheap pottery is biodegradable.
                      Let me tell you, even sporting clays that are designed to be biodegradable aren't so biodegradable. Every time I'm out cleaning Panoche, we pick up lots of broken and unbroken clays that are in the canyon. Very few of them break down, from my personal observation. Or maybe it just takes hundreds of years.

                      And so what about the glass bottles they keep shooting on Top Shot? I've never seen a biodegradable glass bottle.

                      Turby

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                      • Cokebottle
                        Seņor Member
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 32373

                        Originally posted by Turbinator
                        And so what about the glass bottles they keep shooting on Top Shot? I've never seen a biodegradable glass bottle.
                        Movie prop bottles.... made of sugar!
                        - Rich

                        Originally posted by dantodd
                        A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                        • Turbinator
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                          • Oct 2005
                          • 11960

                          Originally posted by Cokebottle
                          Movie prop bottles.... made of sugar!
                          One can hope.

                          Turby

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                          • BigFatGuy
                            Veteran Member
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 3176

                            I met Jay at the OC Indoor Range this morning (very briefly, I tried not to go all goofy fan-boy on him), and he wasn't trying to tell them how to work the register or anything. ;-)

                            Seems like a nice enough guy... maybe next time I'll have a camera handy or something.
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                            I've written up my ongoing adventures as I learn to hunt.

                            Yes, you CAN fit a case of shotgun shells into a .50cal ammo can.

                            I think i found an optimal solution for ammo can labeling.


                            I made this target for the NRA's Marksman pistol test. I think it's a lot better than the paper plate they suggest.

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                            • jakuda
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 515

                              Copy and paste from the official Top Shot forum.

                              Sawyer, the Navy SEAL who was on both seasons as an expert, commented about Jay:

                              "This is an interesting thread for me, because I've already seen a lot posted about Jay's attitude and grip on some of the tactical forums.

                              When I was working with Jay on the set, I didn't understand why he disregarded the proven techniques I was sharing with him, which he clearly needed for his upcoming challenge. However, in hind sight, I can appreciate not changing your technique at the last minute. I happen to agree with that philosophy. Under stress he'd just go back to the cup and saucer technique anyway. Might as well train with it with what little time he had, which was 30 minutes.

                              I guess if he'd have expressed his thinking to me at the time, it would have seemed more respectful, although he wasn't rude by any means. He just seemed kinda lost.

                              In my background at the top of the spec-ops community, there are a lot of stress courses incorporated into our regular training. None of these "monster mashes" would be suitable for Top Shot, unless ALL the competitors were carefully screened for extensive physical capability and solid command of all possible weapons and scenarios.

                              Having run these creative scenarios under stress for many years, I can readily identify one thing that clearly stood out to me about Jay. The guy has exceptional mental focus.
                              In some ways, that superior focus can be more important than a particular skill, especially when absolute speed is not required to win a challenge.

                              If the speed were a bigger factor, bad technique would reveal itself to be a more significant liability. However, as long as a slow and methodical approach can succeed, Jay could continue to enjoy some great success, even without decent technique.
                              For me, this is an interesting dynamic. I'm wondering of the speed will eventually become more of a factor, or if focus alone will win the day. Interesting.

                              I guess that's half the fun. Let's watch and see.

                              ~SAW
                              www.tacticalinsider.com"

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                              • XYZ
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 5481

                                ^^^ Very well written by him. I agree Jay has the mental focus, he just wasn't able to articulate his reasoning which left some wondering. However, after a couple episodes it's been very apparent he knows what he's doing. Hope to see Jay in the finals!
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