Banning for speaking up.

[eaglemike]

If someone floods the market with lower prices for desired goods, the price will drop.

Gotta say, it is pretty funny to see over priced stuff bumped seemingly forever, never selling. Also funny to see "new in box, only 500 rounds" - am I right?

There's always going to be a few low life d-bags that will screw with people, often in the WTB section. To me, that is a far worse problem than someone listing off-roster stuff for clearly unrealistic prices.

Best way to fix the over-priced stuff in the marketplace would be to get a couple of really good court wins. I still don't understand the twisted logic of the politicians and courts that enables the roster.

[JC2020]

As free as markets or speech in North Korea...

Just because it's "supply and demand" it doesn't make it a free market. In fact, what we have in CA is the definition of what a free market is not.

Exactly! We don't have a free market here in California for handguns at all. The elevated prices are due to artificial constraints on supply, not just pure supply and demand.

What I see is that there are guns bought at the height of the buying craze in the last 18 months that are now for sale. The sellers are seeking to recoup their purchase price, but the demand is not as great as it once was. So asking prices will remain high for some time. We will see if that comes down with persistently decreased demand from the record highs during the pandemic.

[MakoCrush]

The real problem is leo purchasing off roster and flipping them for 3 times the amount of money. I am a huge Leo supporter, but that crap is wrong guys. Cut that **** out.. If we are going to have this ridiculous roster of handguns than it also needs to apply to Leo and California run agencies. We need people to lead by example and on the front line. Dont hold people to a standard that you are not willing to hold yourself. That makes you a scumbag.

[tonyxcom]

Exactly! We don't have a free market here in California for handguns at all. The elevated prices are due to artificial constraints on supply, not just pure supply and demand.

Artificial? You think that the Roster is an 'artificial' strain on supply?

You have to concede that the California market for handguns is separate and unique from any handgun market in any other state. In the CA market, there is a unique constraint on supply, I suppose you can describe that as artificial but why does that even matter when the effect is the same.

The supply of such guns is extremely limited and the number of buyers willing to pay 2-4x MSRP for guns they cannot otherwise purchase, more specifically at retail, drives the price up.

How you can describe that as anything but 'pure supply and demand' boggles me.

"A market is free if people can buy and sell whatever they want without any interference from a government, and if prices are set by supply and demand."

I can understand feeling like prices people ask and pay are absurd. But using emotional arguments like 'helping each other' etc is laughable.

OP claims people are getting ripped off, Featureless calls sellers 'predatory ******". I challenge you all to acquire off roster guns and offer them for less and provide a market correction, so you could feel better about this forum, its purpse and yourselves.

Otherwise, mind your business and let grown adults decide how much they are willing to pay for whatever they want.

[Gryff]

I think it bugs me more the stupidity that people exhibit in paying those prices than those selling at them.

Glock Gen5 @ $1200 vs. Gen3 @ $500?
SIG P365XL @ $1500 vs. S&W Shield @ $400?

Easy choices.

Sure, the available stuff is not the latest hotness, but I tend to think people who spend a ton extra for hotness are idiots.

[Featureless]

And Gunbroker ALSO has discussion forums of which some are gun rights forums.

What? You didn't know that? That sort of defeats your entire premise.

Likewise, Calguns has a marketplace which ALSO makes it a gun sales forum. Otherwise, there would not be a forum called "marketplace".

MARKETPLACE - Get it? As in a Market, which is a PLACE to advertise guns so people may SELL them or BUY them - where even vendors are welcomed to place a classified ad?

Just what part of that are you not understanding?

Surely you ALSO realize there are MORE sub-forums in the MARKETPLACE for posting items for sale, than there actually are in this fictional "GUN RIGHTS" forum that only exists in your head, as there are no actual forums on Calguns entitled "GUN RIGHTS" forum - nor even one that uses that phrase.

Predatory... are your feelings hurt too? Would you like to set up a #metoo movement for gun owners?

Not sure where you even get that idea, whereby your 'YOUR' is equally misplaced; I haven't ever sold a single thing on Calguns - have bought plenty in times past, always request no need for iTrader nonsese. Hopefully me and my money didn't prevent you from realizing your hopes and pipe-dreams because you couldn't afford something and I could. Sorry, umm I guess?

And insolent irrational children type nonsensical things with asterisks in them.

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You sure talk a lot without saying anything. With a 0 itrader rating you would be a risk to do business with IMO. Lots of people here have double and triple itrader ratings. Some guys have a policy not to do business with anyone who doesn't have XX number of itrader ratings. It's a measure of how active AND honest a buyer/seller is. Referring to it as "nonsense" makes you suspect.

[sfvshooter]

LOL at getting banned. Why would CG give 2 poops how much someone pays for a firearm.

[MakoCrush]

In his defense I have probably done 7 or 8 deals on here and have yet to get any feedback. I would like to have some credibility but I do understand it is somewhat of a pain in the butt to do it.

[JC2020]

Artificial? You think that the Roster is an 'artificial' strain on supply?

You have to concede that the California market for handguns is separate and unique from any handgun market in any other state. In the CA market, there is a unique constraint on supply, I suppose you can describe that as artificial but why does that even matter when the effect is the same.

The supply of such guns is extremely limited and the number of buyers willing to pay 2-4x MSRP for guns they cannot otherwise purchase, more specifically at retail, drives the price up.

How you can describe that as anything but 'pure supply and demand' boggles me.

"A market is free if people can buy and sell whatever they want without any interference from a government, and if prices are set by supply and demand."

I can understand feeling like prices people ask and pay are absurd. But using emotional arguments like 'helping each other' etc is laughable.

OP claims people are getting ripped off, Featureless calls sellers 'predatory ******". I challenge you all to acquire off roster guns and offer them for less and provide a market correction, so you could feel better about this forum, its purpse and yourselves.

Otherwise, mind your business and let grown adults decide how much they are willing to pay for whatever they want.

But I can't buy whatever I want without interference from the government. That's the point. There is a constraint on supply, due to the roster. It's not actually a free market. My FFL has multiple off roster guns that are for sale, but I cannot purchase them. I cannot purchase a new off roster handgun due to laws passed by our government.

They can say what they like. I'm mainly irritated by the roster limitation, not by those who charge more because of it. I'm quite practical about prices. Obviously, I pay what I need to pay to get what I want.

[wpage]

No one gets banned here for being true.

[ohsmily]

I've been on here since 2006 and I have donated and help many members here.

I feel I'm going to get banned today for what I have to say.........

Selling off roster firearms for some stupid prices to other members here has gotten out of control. I understand supply and demand but DAMN!

I feel sorry for you that have joined within the past few years. We used to help each other out here and help find items for a better price but that S^*T went right out the window!

You A**hole that are trying to rip members off can go....well you know.

By the way I haven't been trying to buy firearms and mad about the (Rape me prices so don't go there) I just feel many here are getting ripped off.

If you must have that firearm at that price, so be it.

Remember, we are here to help each other........ IIRC.

Great job at making the 30th thread on this subject. Don't buy the guns. Don't be a moron (i.e. you claim you understand supply and demand but clearly don't nor do you comprehend basic market forces). Go be poor somewhere else.

[GlockN'Roll]

The real problem is leo purchasing off roster and flipping them for 3 times the amount of money.

I am a huge Leo supporter, but that crap is wrong guys.

Cut that **** out..

If we are going to have this ridiculous roster of handguns than it also needs to apply to Leo and California run agencies.

We need people to lead by example and on the front line.

Dont hold people to a standard that you are not willing to hold yourself.

That makes you a scumbag.

[I Swan]

Price controls go both ways. If you don't like capitalism and free market on off roster handguns you also need to be willing to be told what you can sell your property at too.

I never really see people that are complaining about pricing offering to sell their things at below going rate.

[jaborni]

i honestly think it's sad but what are the mods suppose to do ? say you asked for an unfair price and delete the thread ?

and the willing buyer seller bs is the same argument people use to justify prostitution...

[norcalAF]

So what gun are you looking for OP?