Banning for speaking up.

[-hanko]

If CGN didn't have a marketplace I'd bet well over 50-75% of active members would vanish.

And simple answer to the prices is you no like you no buy.

The beauty of capitalism. Cavet Emptor.

Remember unless crooked cops flipping off rosters in many cases the person selling an off roster handguns also had to pay a high price to acquire it.

Those vanishing would be those who can't get off just $20 a year and become a contributor here.

Since Calguns.net is "The Home of the California Firearms Owner's Resistance", what's interesting is about 4X the folks on the Marketplace v. law related forums here at any given time of day.

[I Swan]

Those vanishing would be those who can't get off just $20 a year and become a contributor here.

Since Calguns.net is "The Home of the California Firearms Owner's Resistance", what's interesting is about 4X the folks on the Marketplace v. law related forums here at any given time of day.

I'm sure $20 a year will make all the CA gun laws vanish! I'm leaving many thousands of dollars to the NRA when I pass away and contribute to them yearly how about you?

Some forums have a requirement to pay if you want to use the marketplace if that becomes a thing here then I'll have to decide whether it's worth it to me or not.

I rarely buy or sell much here anymore.

[I Swan]

i honestly think it's sad but what are the mods suppose to do ? say you asked for an unfair price and delete the thread ?

and the willing buyer seller bs is the same argument people use to justify prostitution...

It's the world's oldest profession and it's not going away anytime soon.

Really who is suppose to be the judge anyhow on what guns should be allowed to be sold for on here? Too many factors come in to play and it reeks of communism.

[MakoCrush]

It's the world's oldest profession and it's not going away anytime soon.

Really who is suppose to be the judge anyhow on what guns should be allowed to be sold for on here? Too many factors come in to play and it reeks of communism.

Agreed, but if we are going to talk about communism and government control than we need to talk about that roster in general. The problem we are facing is the roster. The roster is the underlying problem. But you know what, we are not out there protesting, we just seem to lay down and let the establishment walk all over us. The price gauging is a crime of opertunism.

[tonyxcom]

But I can't buy whatever I want without interference from the government. That's the point. There is a constraint on supply, due to the roster. It's not actually a free market. My FFL has multiple off roster guns that are for sale, but I cannot purchase them. I cannot purchase a new off roster handgun due to laws passed by our government.

That's a fair enough point. When talking about the secondary market though, that constraint becomes moot.

[johnthomas]

I've been on here since 2006 and I have donated and help many members here.

I feel I'm going to get banned today for what I have to say.........

Selling off roster firearms for some stupid prices to other members here has gotten out of control. I understand supply and demand but DAMN!

I feel sorry for you that have joined within the past few years. We used to help each other out here and help find items for a better price but that S^*T went right out the window!

You A**hole that are trying to rip members off can go....well you know.

By the way I haven't been trying to buy firearms and mad about the (Rape me prices so don't go there) I just feel many here are getting ripped off.

If you must have that firearm at that price, so be it.

Remember, we are here to help each other........ IIRC.

I agree 100 percent. I saw that Glock 19 for sale for 900.00 and wondered how anyone in their right mind would ask for that kind of money or buy it for that kind of money. I belong to another forum in another state, looked up new members and most of them started selling guns right away at high prices. I would never buy guns or ammo on a forum that gougers are selling.

[tonyxcom]

I agree 100 percent. I saw that Glock 19 for sale for 900.00 and wondered how anyone in their right mind would ask for that kind of money or buy it for that kind of money. I belong to another forum in another state, looked up new members and most of them started selling guns right away at high prices. I would never buy guns or ammo on a forum that gougers are selling.

What is the difference between a $900 Glock and this?

[JC2020]

That's a fair enough point. When talking about the secondary market though, that constraint becomes moot.

[GlockN'Roll]

What is the difference between a $900 Glock and this?

[Kestryll]

I've been on here since 2006 and I have donated and help many members here.

I feel I'm going to get banned today for what I have to say.........

The only reason you might catch a ban was slipping in the 'a-hole' thing, other than that you're entitled to your opinion as long as it's civil.

Frankly I think the pricing on some stuff is either way too misinformed or simply predatory however it's their item, they own it and can ask what they want.

If someone is willing to pay that price then it wasn't overpriced.

[ivanimal]

The only reason you might catch a ban was slipping in the 'a-hole' thing, other than that you're entitled to your opinion as long as it's civil.

Frankly I think the pricing on some stuff is either way too misinformed or simply predatory however it's their item, they own it and can ask what they want.

If someone is willing to pay that price then it wasn't overpriced.

[IVC]

Artificial? You think that the Roster is an 'artificial' strain on supply?

You have to concede that the California market for handguns is separate and unique from any handgun market in any other state. In the CA market, there is a unique constraint on supply, I suppose you can describe that as artificial but why does that even matter when the effect is the same.

To be a "free market" it's not sufficient to have "supply and demand," it's only a necessary condition. There must be "unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses." (Feel free to use any other source for the definition, I used the first one since it suffices.)

We do not have an unrestricted market. We have a highly restricted market with tightly controlled channels of supply, consisting of family transfers, moving to the states, LEOs and a few more technical channels. If we adopted the definition that "supply and demand is the same as free market," there would be very few restricted markets in the whole world. It would imply that only markets where the government sets the prices directly is restricted, everything else is a "free market." It is far from it.

For example, look at China. Can American companies compete directly? No. Can tech companies even operate there? No. Can anyone open business and compete against local Chinese companies? No. Is it "supply and demand" under restrictive government regulation? Yes. Is it a free market? H@!! NO!

[IVC]

Price controls go both ways. If you don't like capitalism and free market on off roster handguns you also need to be willing to be told what you can sell your property at too.

There is absolutely NO free market here.

If the government banned buying houses except from LEO-s, the prices of houses where LEO-s live would go through the roof and your or mine house would be worth literally nothing. It would be highly restricted (i.e., non-free) market, yet there would be no direct price control.

If we are going to use the phrases such as "free market" or "capitalism," we need to apply correct definitions. If the shoe don't fit...

[tonyxcom]

More fair points there, IVC. I will concede this is not a free market by most, if not all accepted definitions.

At the end of the day, sellers are free to ask whatever price they want, and buyers are free to accept or pass. I still think all of this anger and disdain aimed at the sellers is misguided. And like the many threads before this one, are just useless, whiney, rants.

And to top it off, the OP has participated in the very scheme he is ranting about.

[Mute]

What is the difference between a $900 Glock and this?

To be fair, you can buy a Gen 3 Glock 19 in a gun store and usually for under $600. You can't buy an M&P 40 except in a PPT or maybe on consignment in a gun store. Again, victim of that God damned roster.