Banning for speaking up.

[Sir Toast]

Why dont you direct your anger where it belongs.. at the democrats and EVERYONE who votes for them, enabling them to impose draconian and pointless restrictions on the firearms supply that results in a rise in market prices.

The fact that MANY of these new firearms owners late to the party are quite likely to be democrats and democrat voting independents makes me smile and feel all good inside. Elections matter!

Well said.

[Featureless]

We need a new phrase for Godwin's Law as applies to people who throw around the word "communist".

[BillSmith]

poor sale lien

Duplicate issue, so I will reuse this post...

Are we arguing that those selling ammo firearms at increasingly rising prices are not being fair? Please.

I have a commodity that is in scant supply. If I sell this commodity at a price below market rate, the buyer could in turn sell at market rate and make the profit I flushed.

Given this economic analysis, to my thinking, this is all a paperless argument.

[Rob454]

I've been on here since 2006 and I have donated and help many members here.

I feel I'm going to get banned today for what I have to say.........

Selling off roster firearms for some stupid prices to other members here has gotten out of control. I understand supply and demand but DAMN!

I feel sorry for you that have joined within the past few years. We used to help each other out here and help find items for a better price but that S^*T went right out the window!

You A**hole that are trying to rip members off can go....well you know.

By the way I haven't been trying to buy firearms and mad about the (Rape me prices so don't go there) I just feel many here are getting ripped off.

If you must have that firearm at that price, so be it.

Remember, we are here to help each other........ IIRC.

That’s all that matters. Everything else is your opinion as far as “ripped off”.

Unless the seller misrepresented the item being sold which can be seen as a ripoff especially if it’s hidden hard to see damage (basically deliberately misrepresenting a item) ….. otherwise the item is as described operates/functions correctly, both agree on price nothing else matters.

Help each other how? Sure some members may sell something to another member cheap or cheaper than normal but there isn’t any obligation to do so simply because you’re a member. Now you can offer a item cheaper to members on here vs other sites..if yiu want to. How many times have you offered to sell your gun to a buyer for less because he was getting “ripped off”?
Also prices on new guns are high which automatically brings used guns values up. Demand supply etc all are factors.

Fortunately nothing forces you to buy from the marketplace. For example I was looking for a 45. I was willing to spend 5/600. The used ones i saw were more than the store. Walked in a gun store and ordered one for $525. I also bought a 22 for 325. It was still cheaper to do that even with tax than to buy off marketplace. People are free to ask whatever they want for a item. It doesn’t mean I’m gonna open my wallet and buy it. But getting mad about what someone wants fir a item and what someone pays fir it because you feel it was some injustice….it’s asinine man. It’s none of your or anyone’s business. Now you can have a opinion that’s fine.

Right now it doesn’t matter what state yiure in. There was a huge demand on guns ammo reloading supplies. There seems to be a slight drop but prices are still relatively “high”. Don’t expect them to come down.

[The Gleam]

I've been on here since 2006 and I have donated and help many members here.

I feel I'm going to get banned today for what I have to say.........

Selling off roster firearms for some stupid prices to other members here has gotten out of control. I understand supply and demand but DAMN!

I feel sorry for you that have joined within the past few years. We used to help each other out here and help find items for a better price but that S^*T went right out the window!

You A**hole that are trying to rip members off can go....well you know.

By the way I haven't been trying to buy firearms and mad about the (Rape me prices so don't go there) I just feel many here are getting ripped off.

If you must have that firearm at that price, so be it.

Remember, we are here to help each other........ IIRC.

Well, you would be wrong.

If open-bidding sets the tone, and there have been dozens in the past several months that ended with viable/paying bidders - such as the link to the auction below that ended TODAY - then it would seem many of the asking prices here on Calguns are not only at current fair market value, but even a bargain - which makes your assessment wrong.

SIG Sauer P365 - Final Bid: $2,475.00 / 35 Bids

Auction Ended today: 9/5/2021

The auction ran for 2 weeks allowing any one of those bidders to research the price of this off-roster gun, and even pursue buying elsewhere.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/907830061

DAMN is right, but it was the right price to force a sale. Both sides are happy.

Nobody is getting "ripped off" when they voluntarily and willingly pay for something advertised as such, that allows them plenty of time to research that make, model, and price whereby they are even open to pursue other options, when they commit to that sale and happily pay it.

It's not your job to protect people from happily choosing to, and willfully laying down cash, for something they want.

Nor am I convinced we "need to help each other out" where price is concerned, on either side of the deal - otherwise, such guns may not be available at all for someone to buy them if the price is not attractive enough for the seller to part with it.

There are a LOT of happy buyers out there right now feeling lucky that even though they KNOW they paid an inflated price, money was no object for them, and the price paid was irrelevant compared to the opportunity to getting that particular off-roster gun they had been pining to add to add to their collection.

Your misguided idea of philanthropy is NOT doing anybody any favors - on EITHER side of the sale.


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[AGGRO]

The best, latest one is PM trolling trying to get you to sell brass powder or projectiles for 1960 prices. Come on.

[GeeBee49]

I don't plan on ever buying a gun here but I do click on the ads just to see what people are selling. I occasionally see what I consider to be a very high price and it's usually a seller with less than twenty posts. That tells me that the seller only joined to sell his gun at a hefty profit and that he probably has no interest in becoming a participating member of this community. That's not illegal or against forum rules but I see where this could be annoying to some members who come here in good faith to talk about things they enjoy with like minded people that feel the same way.

[Maulerrr]

OP the only reason people here can charge exorbitant prices are because there are "fools" willing to pay it.

[Featureless]

Well, you would be wrong.

If open-bidding sets the tone, and there have been dozens in the past several months that ended with viable/paying bidders - such as the link to the auction below that ended TODAY - then it would seem many of the asking prices here on Calguns are not only at current fair market value, but even a bargain - which makes your assessment wrong.

SIG Sauer P365 - Final Bid: $2,475.00 / 35 Bids

Auction Ended today: 9/5/2021

The auction ran for 2 weeks allowing anyone of those bidders to research the price of this off-roster gun, and even pursue buying elsewhere.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/907830061

DAMN is right, but it was the right price to force a sale. Both sides are happy.

Nobody is getting "ripped off" when they voluntarily and willingly pay for something advertised as such, that allows them plenty of time to research that make, model, and price whereby they are even open to pursue other options, when they commit to that sale and happily pay it.

It's not your job to protect people from happily choosing to, and willfully laying down cash, for something they want.

Nor am I convinced we "need to help each other out" where price is concerned, on either side of the deal - otherwise, such guns may not be available at all for someone to buy them if the price is not attractive enough for the seller to part with it.

There are a LOT of happy buyers out there right now feeling lucky that even though they KNOW they paid an inflated price, money was no object for them, and the price paid was irrelevant compared to the opportunity to getting that particular off-roster gun they had been pining to add to add to their collection.

Your misguided idea of philanthropy is NOT doing anybody any favors - on EITHER side of the sale.


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Gunbroker is a gun sales forum. Calguns is a gun rights forum. The Marketplace is an accommodation to members, not the primary purpose of the forum. New gun owners and people interested in gun ownership and gunlaws come here to get acquainted and learn. When they run into predatory ****s like you they will likely write off all of the above as scam and a sham.

So, **** off and go over to gunbroker. OK?

[AregularGuy]

I've got a few pistols for sale at high prices. I posted at those prices due to the prices I saw on here. Nothing worse than "helping out" another member just to see them flip the gun and post it for several hundred more than you sold it to them for.

[Rob454]

I don't plan on ever buying a gun here but I do click on the ads just to see what people are selling. I occasionally see what I consider to be a very high price and it's usually a seller with less than twenty posts. That tells me that the seller only joined to sell his gun at a hefty profit and that he probably has no interest in becoming a participating member of this community. That's not illegal or against forum rules but I see where this could be annoying to some members who come here in good faith to talk about things they enjoy with like minded people that feel the same way.

Really comes down to being a educated shopper. I was able to buy two brand new guns for less than buying the same models used on the marketplace. I didn’t just rush out with my hair on fire paying whatever price someone demanded. I made a offer if i felt like it, and if it was ignored or declined no big deal. I literally walked in a gun store a week ago Saturday and ordered a 45 for 140 dollars less than a used one listed here. They called said the gun was in I went there Saturday started paperwork on the gun and picked up a small 22 rifle also.

Just because someone wants x for a gun doesn’t mean you need to run out screaming I’ll take it.

I've got a few pistols for sale at high prices. I posted at those prices due to the prices I saw on here. Nothing worse than "helping out" another member just to see them flip the gun and post it for several hundred more than you sold it to them for.

Exactly the reason I don’t sell my unuseable ammo on here. I’m afraid I’ll just sell to a flipper.

[GeeBee49]

I literally walked in a gun store a week ago Saturday and ordered a 45 for 140 dollars less than a used one listed here. They called said the gun was in I went there Saturday started paperwork on the gun and picked up a small 22 rifle also.

I've bought many new guns in the last two years from my local shop and by far most of them were special orders. I'm a picky buyer and I seldom expect to find exactly what I want on the shelf so I'm willing to order it and wait. All of the guns I bought, including the three I have in jail right now, sold for the same price they would have sold for before the panic buying spree.
I don't mind spending $2000 for a Colt SAA because that's the going rate. But, I would never spend $2000 for a gun that I can order for $1200.

[The Gleam]

Gunbroker is a gun sales forum. Calguns is a gun rights forum. The Marketplace is an accommodation to members, not the primary purpose of the forum. New gun owners and people interested in gun ownership and gunlaws come here to get acquainted and learn. When they run into predatory ****s like you they will likely write off all of the above as scam and a sham.

So, **** off and go over to gunbroker. OK?

And Gunbroker ALSO has discussion forums of which some are gun rights forums.

What? You didn't know that? That sort of defeats your entire premise.

Likewise, Calguns has a marketplace which ALSO makes it a gun sales forum. Otherwise, there would not be a forum called "marketplace".

MARKETPLACE - Get it? As in a Market, which is a PLACE to advertise guns so people may SELL them or BUY them - where even vendors are welcomed to place a classified ad?

Just what part of that are you not understanding?

Surely you ALSO realize there are MORE sub-forums in the MARKETPLACE for posting items for sale, than there actually are in this fictional "GUN RIGHTS" forum that only exists in your head, as there are no actual forums on Calguns entitled "GUN RIGHTS" forum - nor even one that uses that phrase.

Predatory... are your feelings hurt too? Would you like to set up a #metoo movement for gun owners?

Not sure where you even get that idea, whereby your 'YOUR' is equally misplaced; I haven't ever sold a single thing on Calguns - have bought plenty in times past, always request no need for iTrader nonsese. Hopefully me and my money didn't prevent you from realizing your hopes and pipe-dreams because you couldn't afford something and I could. Sorry, umm I guess?

And insolent irrational children type nonsensical things with asterisks in them.

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[I Swan]

Gunbroker is a gun sales forum. Calguns is a gun rights forum. The Marketplace is an accommodation to members, not the primary purpose of the forum. New gun owners and people interested in gun ownership and gunlaws come here to get acquainted and learn. When they run into predatory ****s like you they will likely write off all of the above as scam and a sham.

So, **** off and go over to gunbroker. OK?

If CGN didn't have a marketplace I'd bet well over 50-75% of active members would vanish.

And simple answer to the prices is you no like you no buy.

The beauty of capitalism. Cavet Emptor.

Remember unless crooked cops flipping off rosters in many cases the person selling an off roster handguns also had to pay a high price to acquire it.

[DB>]

California - because of stupid laws, we can't get stuff designed much after 2010-2013. And a lot of now off rosters from prior to that.

Some off rosters are cheap, others are more desirable, and carry a premium. Supply, meet Demand. Some things you can't even get at all... I have a collection of mostly those, and I wouldn't sell because I can't easily replace... unless you offer a CRAZY price, then I might....

We just went through a "panic buying" surge of epic proportions, prices went up on some things even MORE, and as firearms return to shelves, that should begin to lessen. Patience, or if you NEED IT NOW, pay the going rate.

Hell, people were paying crazy prices to get PAPER PRODUCTS, and those are arguably less vital than firearms, unless you're down to your last roll....

This is basic economics, supply/demand, and a market artificially tweaked by government intervention. Complain all you want, but it boils down to "life's not fair, deal with it".