Ffls that always complain about doing a ppt

[I Swan]

Weird. My own ppt experiences at turners have actually been pretty positive but maybe that's cuz I buy and sell unique and cool guns (AK pistols, Romanian PAR-1)...etc.

On the other hand, warrior one in riverside have given me the exact same attitude as OP got. I would never give them my business. Don't give a crap who the owner is, the getto music, bro type retards behind the counter and their attitudes about ppt have reconfirmed the opinions I made in late 2014 when I was reviewing lots of dealers in the area.

Yet another reason I have not spent a dime there and have not returned in years. I happily drive past them constantly and spend thousands at their local competition yearly.

[Tovarish]

Ok I have to chime in. As a dealer we theoretically make $10 off the PPT. However, we supply the paper and ink and I have to pay the employee. The last time I calculated it I lost $1 on each ppt. Very few people buy another firearm. Do you get some repeat business, sure. I had one individual that did 60 ppt's. He never bought a single firearm from me, and the people he sold to never did. Those of you that have I congratulate and thank you, even though it wasn't in my store. But you are the anomaly.

The gun shops were quite favorable to requiring transfers to happen at an FFL when the laws were proposed. Then when their cut was capped at $10 they changed their tune.

I'm sorry but you are being shortsighted. How do you know you haven't profited from introducing customers to your store via a PPT? I can think of several shops I've made purchases from that would never have entered my mind had a seller not brought me there for a transfer. Sometimes there are months in between but I visit the shop because I had a good experience the time I was forced to go in. Do you seriously think that's such a rare occurrence?

If you truly don't get any repeat business from handling PPTs, maybe the reason is your attitude about PPTs...

[Dutch3]

Oak Tree = 'Persona non Grata'.

How many of you still fail to understand that is beyond me. Oak Tree threw us under the bus as California gun owners, with the desire for their personal profit.

Why any of you would even consider to continue to do business with them defies comprehension.

[I Swan]

Oak Tree = 'Persona non Grata'.

How many of you still fail to understand that is beyond me. Oak Tree threw us under the bus as California gun owners, with the desire for their personal profit.

Why any of you would even consider to continue to do business with them defies comprehension.

Many CGNers would shoot at a range run by Lucifer and buy guns there if the price was right and it was convenient for them.

[drifts1]

^^^^ This. How do you know you didn't get repeat customers? You track each and every customer that enters your shop? Or are you only saying they didn't buy another gun on top of the gun they PPT'd?
Having a good PPT experience is a plus when I consider where to shop but other factors are also involved: price, selection, distance, service, and of course ax salesman ability to sell his product. But a bad PPT experience will guarantee I never step foot in that shop and my negative views will be shared with friends and shooters.
As has been said, its part of the business and FFLS supported the law when it was being crafted. FFLs get a tremendous amount of free foot traffic that they would otherwise be paying for.

[Dutch3]

Many CGNers would shoot at a range run by Lucifer and buy guns there if the price was right and it was convenient for them.

I suppose you are correct. Unfortunately, that lack of integrity will be our downfall.

[Burbur]

Ok I have to chime in. As a dealer we theoretically make $10 off the PPT. However, we supply the paper and ink and I have to pay the employee. The last time I calculated it I lost $1 on each ppt. Very few people buy another firearm. Do you get some repeat business, sure. I had one individual that did 60 ppt's. He never bought a single firearm from me, and the people he sold to never did. Those of you that have I congratulate and thank you, even though it wasn't in my store. But you are the anomaly.

There are three types of PPT clients:
Customers - the guys we see regularly, and buy stuff from us. Absolutely no hesitation helping them improve their collection, even ifit's from an outside source
Ghosts - I will only ever see these guys once, for this transaction
Dealers without a license - these guys think they are your friend because they come in so much, but they aren't customers.

I always make a point to buy a couple boxes of overpriced ammo or a sling or bottle of solvent, lpk, or something, everytime I do a ppt.
But then, the shops are usually cheerful.

Thanks, I'm not above a pity bang. Hopefully you'll like it and come back for more.


From a business point of view, some of these are good, others are a waste of time, but it is an obligation. We did a 9 gun PPT the other day, made $90 in 20 minutes; that one was actually profitable.

[CAL.BAR]

Good news! By next year there won't be much left for them to sell so they will be happy to do ppts

[HKMadness]

Ppts aren't intended to be directly profitable. Never were.

[HKMadness]

Why any of you would even consider to continue to do business with them defies comprehension.

Because they lose money when I do it.

[Baboosh]

PPTs are part of the business, not everything in any job is unicorn farts and rainbows.

Having a bad attitude about it is no benefit to anyone. We have retained many long term loyal customers who found us through PPTs. We don't advertise outside Calguns. We take the time to chat up people doing PPTs and if they just want a quick transaction we get them in and out in 5 minutes. Sometimes that alone makes them comment on how nice it is and they tell others.

We just had an older guy in buy over $10k in rifles because his buddy at work said we'll get him in and out in minutes.

[Tovarish]

Baboosh, maybe if you treated PPTs as an annoying waste of time you could get rid of all those damn repeat customers like HardwoodRods.

[enegue]

I was lucky to have a good experiences everywhere.

Guns Direct in Burbank was amazing...really great people there. Addax Tactical in San Fernando is equally awesome. I even had good experiences at Martin B Retting. Turner's was good too, but always takes longer because they're so busy. I can't help but strongly dislike OakTree for what they did with Armatix, and I haven't shot there for years because of it, but when I did go there for a PPT a year ago, they were very friendly and even let me test fire the carbine I was trying to buy for free! Doesn't get much nicer than that.

It probably depends on who you talk to over there, your attitude, and if they woke up on the right side of the bed that morning. I do usually buy something when I do a PPT - ammo, mags, gear, t-shirt, whatever.

[MrElectric03]

Well I've had good and bad. The bad...turners. Always complain about it with the exception of one guy at the Victorville store. The good...ammo bros Ontario. These guys were almost ashamed that it took 25 min for me to be in and out. They really made the ppt easy and I e bought quite a bit new from them since because of it.

[ke6guj]

Ppts aren't intended to be directly profitable. Never were.

I disagree. in the 90's, when the PPT requirement came about, the dealers pushed for the law. they saw that $10 fee as real money and 3 forced customer visits to their shop without having to advertise for their business. unfortunately for them, $10 isn't worth what it once was, and what was once a money-maker is no longer. CADOJ pushes for DROS fee increases when they need them, but there is nobody pushing for PPT fee increases.