CHP, SSE, Harassment or Confiscations

[SkyHawk]

My Ruger LCP has a model number that was never on the CA roster. But if you look up the numbers on it it will come back as 380 and wont say single shot....tell me again how they know by looking at it?

This is elementary. All they have to do is run the serial number or your driver's license/ID number through AFS.

And please don't confuse off roster with SSE - they are two different things although people associate them.

If you bought the gun using a single shot exemption, and it has never been transferred again since then, it will be listed in AFS as single shot right now.

However if you moved here with it, or got it via PPT, or you were roster exempt (LEO), it will not be listed as single shot.

AFS is the CA DOJ Automated Firearm System. It lists, among other things, the CALIBER and ACTION of a firearm, as it was recorded at the last DROS or volreg etc.

How do you think Placer County Sheriff knows your pistol is SSE when you try to list it on your CCW? Why do you think so many people are going to the trouble to pawn/redeem or consign/re-DROS their pistols, or rebuy them as duplicates via PPT?

This isn't even a question. It is VERY SIMPLE for LEO to know if your gun was obtained via the single shot exemption during the most recent transfer. If you got the gun some other way than using the single shot exemption - as the original buyer from a dealer when SSE was still an option, then it wont be listed as SSE. So a gun can be listed as SSE in AFS originally, and then later the record can be cleaned during another transfer. But if the gun has never been transferred after the original SSE DROS, it is still listed as single shot in AFS.

I am not saying they are doing it out in the field like OP has stated he heard, but I am telling you right now this is a very simple thing for them to know. The only way to clean the AFS record of the information is to reDROS it as the correct action (semi auto) - which happens in a PPT, a pawn/redeem, a consign/reDROS, an OPLAW transfer, etc.

If you don't believe this is possible, then just try to add a pistol that you got via SSE to your CCW in Placer County and have never transferred again in a DROS, and you will see just how easy it is for them to know - when they deny your addition. If you bought that LCP using SSE - they will know, and you will not be able to add it to your permit. If it was on your permit, they will force you to remove it at renewal - they just started doing this within the past 2 years. If you bought it from someone else, then you are fine - even if the original buyer got it via SSE.

[Gryff]

The swan song of FFLs who were too timid to do SSEs when they were legal.

[SB1964]

Just another "squat & dump" thread designed to shake up a few people.

This just in...22 ammo is not available, lol.

[Whiskey_Tango]

The swan song of FFLs who were too timid to do SSEs when they were legal.

And butt hurt that people can exercise 2A without having to pay them and listen to their BS "expertise." There are a lot of great LGSs out there, but a lot of self righteous know it all a55 hats too.

[Dano3467]

SSE on my permit as well.

Gun store are some of the worse place's for actual (true) information

[SkyHawk]

SSE on my permit as well.

Gun store are some of the worse place's for actual (true) information

SSE not allowed in Placer County, Solano, Calaveras, Ventura - probably others I am not familiar with. All of those counties used to allow SSE. The DOJ has advised all issuing agencies to stop accepting them. Some will, some wont, and some just haven't gotten around to it yet. I had to remove my LCP, and a G23G4. I replaced them with another G23G4 I got via PPT, and a G43 I got as a gift from out of state family.

We can all laugh at the OP or rail on this FFL - but honestly this story isn't that far fetched. The DOJ has already harassed plenty of CCW holders over SSE, who were forced to remove pistols from their permits at renewal.

You've heard of the canary in the coal mine? This might be that canary. Time will tell...

[tonyxcom]

I just submitted my renewal in Solano and my G30S (listed for almost 3 years now) is SSE'd. It had a .45 cal barrel though, not the .25 cal insert that was prevalent in the last 6 months of SSE.

I guess I will see what happens, if they don't allow it its not a big deal. I've never even carried it.

[tanks]

...The DOJ has advised all issuing agencies to stop accepting them. ...

Source please.

[tonyxcom]

I should add, that when I was going over my renewal application with Kellie, she made it a point to say that guns now must be registered in your name. Prior (and it has been my experience as well) that the guns on your permit didn't need to be in your name, like a gun shared by spouses or something you inherited etc. She didn't once mention anything about SSE.

[Mopar Guy]

I usually keep one on me, all of mine are on a permit signed by a sheriff. FUD

[onelonehorseman]

Out the shop.

^^This . . or it didn't happen.

[aghauler]

I'm a chippie and we do our monthly shoots at a private range. I can assure everyone that all but one or two of us just want to go home the other two just want more range time. The only thing that would concern us is the same that concerns anyone who uses a public range gross negligence.

You know about all the retired CHP's over in NV? Group in Carson City area is called the "Over the Hill Gang" I think.
We used to trade trucker/ambulance/CHP stories they even knew some of the officers I'd known.

[SkyHawk]

Source please.

You are not going to find a source for this besides anecdotal evidence and reports from people who have experienced the fallout first hand. The DOJ doesn't advertise their fiats to peons like us, and no LE agency is going to publicly publish advisories to law enforcement received from the DOJ.

So I can vouch for Placer County as can plenty of others who had SSE firearms and then were told in 2014 that we could no longer have them. You can also read about in the Placer CCW subforum here. I used to also be that guy who said 'my IA doesn't care about SSE on CCW' - and every gun I had on my permit was SSE. And then everyone with SSE in Placer county found out the hard way that a policy change was pushed by DOJ. I was told this by a CCW investigator.

There are plenty of other Placer users reporting stories:

I bought a SW M&P Shield while you could still take advantage of the single shot exemption. When I went to placer sheriff to add this to, they said you can't because it lists as a single shot from the DOJ.

Hey all,

I went to make some changes to my CCW today. I was deleting a G26 gen4 and a G19 gen3, replacing them with 2 guns, am XDs 45 and VP9 that I purchased via PPT in late January and early Feb.

Placer has a new policy that if a gun is to be added, if the last DROS shows "single shot" and not "semi auto", they will not allow you to add it to your permit. Since the 2 guns I added were PPT'd and the DROS done at the time of PPT shows "semi auto", it was ok to add. If I had bought them in 2014 via SSE, they would not have allowed them to be added.

The person that took my mod also said that in 2014, the system(not sure if he meant DROS or not) used to have the state change the "single shot" flag to "semi auto" but apparently they stopped doing that on Jan 1. So if you bought an SSE in 2014 and want to add it, you might have a hard time.

The guy was cool, originally I was only going to add the XDs and when he ran the gun, he said it was ok so I added the VP9 also.

Just passing along the information that I got today.

Darren

Here are some similar stories out of Solano County - click on the little blue triangle to be take to the post and the thread for each:

Feel free to call Solano sheriff. Kellie will tell you what she told me, that it came down from DOJ in Feb. and they won't put it in writing.

Coincidently, I got the call this afternoon to pick up my CCW renewal, (minus my SSE gun) They seemed very sympatric with my plight, but said there was nothing they could do, as the DOJ has changed their rules.

I don't mind (well actually I do) jumping though the extra hoops, but I'm not all that anxious to end up on some DOJ watch list.....

This is in Solano county by the way, and they are great folks to deal with, very professional, and pleasant.

VENTURA COUNTY

Has anyone in Ventura county that has renewed their CCW been told that you cannot have a CCW that is SSE and also cannot be in store inventory? One of my partners just renewed and was told this during the interview. I thought anything SSE was just as legal as if you bought it "normally".

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Here's the scenario:

1. customer purchases a new off-roster handgun
2. handgun is listed as SSE for DROS
3. customer applies for CCW and lists SSE handgun
4. after checking DROS, LE says customer can't use SSE handgun for CCW, won't issue permit with that handgun
5. customer now wants to do PPT to self in non SSE configuration to "update" DROS record

Is this possible? Is it appropriate under these circumstances? Are there alternatives?

I haven't been able to find anything new on this since this thread (which has outdated/incorrect information).

There are others if you care to look. You can also find stories here of people who sent in volreg forms in an attempt to correct their SSE listing, that were rejected by DOJ. DOJ is not letting people self correct AFS for single shot anymore.


So this is how we find out - not with bugles and fanfare, not with any publication you can get your hands on, we find out from reports just like the OP. They trickle in, and at first, everyone thinks it must be a mistake. Then more reports come in - and after a year or so it is clear what is happening.

The DOJ will take every opportunity they can to jack with people who they feel took advantage of loopholes or gamed the system. That should come as a surprise to no one here. And it will continue as long as they can get away with it or we have a new administration. That's why everyone should be laughing nervously at the information provided in the OP.

[keenkeen]

You are not going to find a source for this besides anecdotal evidence and reports from people who have experienced the fallout first hand. The DOJ doesn't advertise their fiats to peons like us, and no LE agency is going to publicly publish advisories to law enforcement received from the DOJ.

So I can vouch for Placer County as can plenty of others who had SSE firearms and then were told in 2014 that we could no longer have them. You can also read about in the Placer CCW subforum here. I used to also be that guy who said 'my IA doesn't care about SSE on CCW' - and every gun I had on my permit was SSE. And then everyone with SSE in Placer county found out the hard way that a policy change was pushed by DOJ. I was told this by a CCW investigator.

There are plenty of other Placer users reporting stories:
Here are some similar stories out of Solano County - click on the little blue triangle to be take to the post and the thread for each:

VENTURA COUNTY
?? COUNTY



There are others if you care to look. You can also find stories here of people who sent in volreg forms in an attempt to correct their SSE listing, that were rejected by DOJ. DOJ is not letting people self correct AFS for single shot anymore.


So this is how we find out - not with bugles and fanfare, not with any publication you can get your hands on, we find out from reports just like the OP. They trickle in, and at first, everyone thinks it must be a mistake. Then more reports come in - and after a year or so it is clear what is happening.

The DOJ will take every opportunity they can to jack with people who they feel took advantage of loopholes or gamed the system. That should come as a surprise to no one here. And it will continue as long as they can get away with it or we have a new administration. That's why everyone should be laughing nervously at the information provided in the OP.

Many of us are laughing at this thread, just not nervously.

[FIREBALL_BRIAN]

so much incorrect info in this thread.

I shake my head. what a waste of time.