SSE + DROS + CCW = FAIL?

[lugnutwrench]

Here's the scenario:

1. customer purchases a new off-roster handgun
2. handgun is listed as SSE for DROS
3. customer applies for CCW and lists SSE handgun
4. after checking DROS, LE says customer can't use SSE handgun for CCW, won't issue permit with that handgun
5. customer now wants to do PPT to self in non SSE configuration to "update" DROS record

Is this possible? Is it appropriate under these circumstances? Are there alternatives?

I haven't been able to find anything new on this since this thread (which has outdated/incorrect information).

[XDmax]

Pawn the gun

[lorax3]

Are there alternatives?

Some suggestions mentioned in this thread. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=951274

Also be careful what advice you give folks in this situation. There are several transactions that will "fix" the AFS entry, but not all of them are legal. (Generally relating to the actual buyer problems on the 4473)

[JeffM]

I've had this issue exactly once with a small department. I called the department employee that handled the applications and explained that the gun was sold as a multiple barrel set and could be configured multiple ways by the end user, including as a semi-auto. The very politely thanked me for the clarification and proceeded with the application approval.

Thankfully in the Central Valley here most issuing authorities don't have a political agenda regarding CCWs and aren't just looking for excuses to deny them.

[lugnutwrench]

One of the reasons I'm vested in this is because I told the customer an SSE would be fine for use with her CCW, so I'm kind of on the hook for cleaning up whatever mess I made by selecting 8888 for the caliber.

I've been trying to find a pawn shop with an FFL near the San Francisco Bay Area to give some direction to the customer, or (in the alternative) an FFL willing to accept the firearm on consignment (I don't have second-hand business license). So far, I've been told (by other FFLs, mind you):

• "There are no pawn shops in California who pawn guns. It's illegal."
• "Once a gun is registered as single-shot, you can't modify it. If you do, you're a criminal."
• "We don't pawn AR pistols anymore because it's now illegal to transfer them once we have them."

*SIGH*. Does anyone have any idea what would happen if I DROS'ed the gun as a PPT from her to herself in the current semi-auto configuration?

[lugnutwrench]

... Does anyone have any idea what would happen if I DROS'ed the gun as a PPT from her to herself in the current semi-auto configuration?

Alternately, what if she loaned it to me, and we DROS'ed it as a handgun loan? I actually have never shot the thing and would be legitimately curious to take it out to the range for a couple days.

[Daydrmr999]

*SIGH*. Does anyone have any idea what would happen if I DROS'ed the gun as a PPT from her to herself in the current semi-auto configuration?

Check with member Baboosh (2A Zone), but if I remember correctly he tried to do a dros from/to the same person for this issue and it got kicked back. If her IA allows a spouse's gun on their permit she can intra familiar the gun to her husband assuming she is married. That should clear the record according to others who have done it. Also search "sse caliber ccw san bernardino" for a long thread about this issue.

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[ASD1]

PAWN shop in SSF will pawn guns

SOUTH CITY PAWN

337 Grand Avenue
South San Francisco, CA 94080


Telephone: 650.872.2274 (650.872.CASH)
Fax: 650.589.5208


Email: info@southcitypawn.com

Store Hours:

Monday - Friday: 10am - 5:30PM
Saturday: 10am- 4pm
Sundays: Closed

[lugnutwrench]

Check with member Baboosh (2A Zone), but if I remember correctly he tried to do a dros from/to the same person for this issue and it got kicked back. If her IA allows a spouse's gun on their permit she can intra familiar the gun to her husband assuming she is married. That should clear the record according to others who have done it.

As far as I know, she's not married, so no go on that, but thanks for the suggestion.

Also search "sse caliber ccw san bernardino" for a long thread about this issue.

lorax3 mentioned that thread in his comment. As far as I can tell, the solutions that are actually legal (not straw purchases) and available to her as an unmarried woman are:

• pawn
• put up for consignment and then take it back

I might have missed something. But so far I'm getting no love on those fronts. I'll give ASD1's suggestion a call though and report back here.

[gsxr310]

other than SB county, what other SoCal counties are not CCW "off-rosters"?

[lugnutwrench]

I'll give ASD1's suggestion a call though and report back here.

Correction: I actually called South City Pawn already. They were the ones who told me, "We don't pawn AR pistols anymore because it's now illegal to transfer them once we have them."

[lurchnp81]

other than SB county, what other SoCal counties are not CCW "off-rosters"?

Ventura County will not allow a SSE gun to be listed on permit.

[Daydrmr999]

other than SB county, what other SoCal counties are not CCW "off-rosters"?

Actually, San bernardino county has no problem with off roster, their issue is with correct caliber. I.e. gun sse'd as .25, but converted back to .380, 9mm, etc. They want the caliber the gun is currently configured in to match what the state shows it as.

[gsxr310]

Ventura County will not allow a SSE gun to be listed on permit.

anyone know if OC allows off-roster's?

[ke6guj]

Correction: I actually called South City Pawn already. They were the ones who told me, "We don't pawn AR pistols anymore because it's now illegal to transfer them once we have them."

here is where it is legal for you to transfer to them to pawn;

32110. Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5
(commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to any of the
following:
(f) The delivery of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
of being concealed upon the person to a person licensed pursuant to
Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, for the purpose of a consignment
sale or as collateral for a pawnbroker loan.

and here is where it is legal for them to return it to you from pawn;

(e) The return of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of
being concealed upon the person by a person licensed pursuant to
Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, to its owner where that firearm
was initially delivered in the circumstances set forth in subdivision
(a), (d), (f), or (i).