Cal Regs

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Can two CA residents who BOTH have Type 03 but WITHOUT a COE do a face-to-face transfer without involving a Type 01 FFL?

We'll assume you are talking about a C&R long gun...

The licence status of the seller doesn't matter. If the transfer happens inside California then the C&R FFL who is receiving the C&R long gun needs a COE. If the transfer happens outside California then the C&R FFL receiving the C&R firearm does not need a COE.

[thehummerguy]

Does the one gun a month rule still NOT apply with 03 and COE still?
This would be for modern and C&R pistols...

[kouye]

If you want to avoid the 1 handgun per 30 days restriction when buying both modern and C&R handguns from a California Licensed Dealer, then you need to have a COE in addition to your C&R FFL.

And you have to find a CA dealer that has a clue. Many LGS near me don't know squat about the exemption.

[tekno]

new question?

is there a competitive site for someone that wants to get their C&R and FFL03 licence? I want to bite the bullet and do this but feel over whelmed when reading this thread.

thanks

[krwada]

Here you go

is there a competitive site for someone that wants to get their C&R and FFL03 licence? I want to bite the bullet and do this but feel over whelmed when reading this thread.

thanks

I posted a comprehensive guide for the TYPE-03, (C&R) FFL over at 2A Munitions.

I will look up here at Calguns to see if I did the corresponding COE thing.

[krwada]

Calguns COE help

is there a competitive site for someone that wants to get their C&R and FFL03 licence? I want to bite the bullet and do this but feel over whelmed when reading this thread.

thanks

I asked for help about the California COE ... and as usual, the Calguns community came through!

This thread has pretty much all the answers you need to effectively go through with getting your California permission slip ... (COE)

[tekno]

thanks krwada

[jl1252]

Just need a lil clarification. Im a c&r holder and have a valid coe. I was told by doj that all c&r longguns have to be shipped/dros'd thru an ffl01, and then I can bypass the 10-day wait. In other words, i cannot have c&r longguns shipped to me directly any longer...is this correct? I called a few of the online dealers ive purchased from in the past and both stated they were unaware of such a change (i know its my responsibility to know) and routinely ship longguns to Ca c&r holders.

[six seven tango]

Just need a lil clarification. Im a c&r holder and have a valid coe. I was told by doj that all c&r longguns have to be shipped/dros'd thru an ffl01, and then I can bypass the 10-day wait. In other words, i cannot have c&r longguns shipped to me directly any longer...is this correct? I called a few of the online dealers ive purchased from in the past and both stated they were unaware of such a change (i know its my responsibility to know) and routinely ship longguns to Ca c&r holders.

This seems like it's coming up a lot recently. I've got to wonder if DOJ is planning some underground regulation b/s here.

The person that you talked to at DOJ is wrong. C&R handguns have to go thru an 01, but not long guns. If anyone at DOJ insists otherwise, ask them to cite the PC. So, yes, you can have a C&R long gun shipped directly to you if you have an 03/COE. Just make sure you send in your $19 with the proper from.

[jl1252]

This seems like it's coming up a lot recently. I've got to wonder if DOJ is planning some underground regulation b/s here.

The person that you talked to at DOJ is wrong. C&R handguns have to go thru an 01, but not long guns. If anyone at DOJ insists otherwise, ask them to cite the PC. So, yes, you can have a C&R long gun shipped directly to you if you have an 03/COE. Just make sure you send in your $19 with the proper from.

Ok, thank you. The person I talked to cited the PC on the 4100 form and said that form 4100 could only be used to report out-of-state acquisitions. So i looked at form 961 which states its for reporting acquisitions in-state from non-licensees. So which form would be used if purchasing a long-gun from one of the major on-line c&r dealers like AIM or SOG?

Just trying to get my ducks in a row since things seemed to changed since my last c&r purchase.

Thanks again

[krwada]

I asked the same question here at Calguns

Ok, thank you. The person I talked to cited the PC on the 4100 form and said that form 4100 could only be used to report out-of-state acquisitions. So i looked at form 961 which states its for reporting acquisitions in-state from non-licensees. So which form would be used if purchasing a long-gun from one of the major on-line c&r dealers like AIM or SOG?

Just trying to get my ducks in a row since things seemed to changed since my last c&r purchase.

Thanks again

... and it was very politely and nicely answered here

In your specific case, you will need to fill out the CADOJ BOF961

The Calguns community is very good at helping all members get things straight. There is some FUD spread about by members here. They do get called out on it pretty darned quick.

[jl1252]

I too think that 961 is the most appropriate form, but this language copied from top of page 2 of form 961 is tripping me up:

Collector In-State Acquisition of Curio or Relic Long Gun Report Requirements

Federally licensed collectors (FFL type 03) in California who have a current COE may acquire curio or relic long guns from non-licensees

[TRICKSTER]

Ok, thank you. The person I talked to cited the PC on the 4100 form and said that form 4100 could only be used to report out-of-state acquisitions. So i looked at form 961 which states its for reporting acquisitions in-state from non-licensees. So which form would be used if purchasing a long-gun from one of the major on-line c&r dealers like AIM or SOG?

Just trying to get my ducks in a row since things seemed to changed since my last c&r purchase.

Thanks again

Use the 961. I have registered over a dozen firearms this way with no problems. In the "Acquired From" box, I mark "other" and enter "Mailed from (insert state two letter abbreviation), FFL XX-XX-XXX-XX-XX-XXXXX"

[six seven tango]

Use the 961. I have registered over a dozen firearms this way with no problems. In the "Acquired From" box, I mark "other" and enter "Mailed from (insert state two letter abbreviation), FFL XX-XX-XXX-XX-XX-XXXXX"

^^This^^

The 961 seems to be a one size fits all/catch all form, and is poorly worded. Basically, if you acquired a C&R long gun without physically leaving the state, then the 961 is the proper form to use.

I do it a little different than Trickster. Instead of "mailed from", I'll put the actual company name IE: Aim Surplus, followed by their FFL number. Both ways seem to work.

[jl1252]

This is where I am having issues with using form 961 to report C&R purchases...

The form 961 references PC27966...

"Commencing January 1, 2014, if all of the following
requirements are satisfied, Section 27545 shall not apply to the
sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm:
(a) The sale, loan, or transfer is infrequent, as defined in
Section 16730.
(b) The firearm is not a handgun.
(c) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11
of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor.
(d) The person receiving the firearm has a current certificate of
eligibility issued pursuant to Section 26710.
(e) The person receiving the firearm is licensed as a collector
pursuant to Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the
regulations issued thereto.
(f) Within 30 days of taking possession of the firearm, the person
to whom it is transferred shall forward by prepaid mail, or deliver
in person to the Department of Justice, a report that includes
information concerning the individual taking possession of the
firearm, how title was obtained and from whom, and a description of
the firearm in question. The report forms that individuals complete
pursuant to this section shall be provided to them by the department."

So on its face, purchasing a C&R longgun from AIM and having it delivered to my doorstep, appears to meet all of the requirements of 27966 as long as I have a C&R and COE (which I do). Doesn't specify where the seller has to be located. No problem, good to go.

The problem I am still having is with the reference to "non-licensees" on page 2 of the form 961. It would seem to only apply to acquisitions from non-dealers and therefore not applicable to purchases from places like AIM.

The form seems to conflict with the penal code its based on...

jl1252