Cal Regs

[vintagerifle]

It is my understanding that the whole "Modern Ammunition" thing only applies to replicas. ...

The code I pasted above leads me to believe that the "Modern Ammunition" phrase isn't even in the law, and the "not readily available" thing only applies to whether a replica can be considered an antique, and has nothing to do with a firearm that was made prior to 1899.

Am I interpreting this correctly?

Reading it again, I think you have this right, but would love to hear it proclaimed by one of the experts.

Carl

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...Am I interpreting this correctly?

Yes, you've got it.

I should add that this only applies to GCA (Title I) firearms. For NFA (Title II) firearms the "modern ammunition" thing applies even for stuff made before 1899.

[SQLGeek]

I'm trying to get up to speed with the C&R regulations in CA since it has been a few years since I was there last.

With the new requirements this year concerning a COE in addition to an FFL03, is there much point in having just the FFL03 without the COE?

From what I'm seeing, there isn't except for perhaps being able to buy a C&R in another state and taking it back with you. Is that correct or am I missing something?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

I'm trying to get up to speed with the C&R regulations in CA since it has been a few years since I was there last.

With the new requirements this year concerning a COE in addition to an FFL03, is there much point in having just the FFL03 without the COE?

From what I'm seeing, there isn't except for perhaps being able to buy a C&R in another state and taking it back with you. Is that correct or am I missing something?

Buying while out of state and the discounts some vendors give are the only two reasons for a Californian to get a C&R FFL without a COE. Some guys have a pretty good system set up where they buy stuff and have it shipped to an 01 FFL in Nevada and then drive over to pick it all up a few times a year.

[SQLGeek]

Thanks for the clarification. So there is some utility in having one at least.

[profarrell]

Estate sale guns

Can someone please explain what these CA "Estate" Sale companies are doing selling 50+ year old long guns and hand guns (pistols/revolvers) cash and carry no docs.

Sometimes the firearms are not even 50 years old. Do Estate companies have some sort of eligibility to sell firearms without FFL dealer and transfers?

How do you register any firearm if you do ever purchase a cash and carry from an Estate Sale then?

[cdtx2001]

Clarification needed here.

IF I am out of state and find a C&R eligible firearm, I can buy it with a C&R FFL, correct?

Reason I ask is I was at a dealer that said due to CA law he could not sell me a C&R firearm even with an 03 FFL due to blah blah blah CA regulations blah blah blah CADOJ says blah blah

[six seven tango]

Clarification needed here.

IF I am out of state and find a C&R eligible firearm, I can buy it with a C&R FFL, correct?

Reason I ask is I was at a dealer that said due to CA law he could not sell me a C&R firearm even with an 03 FFL due to blah blah blah CA regulations blah blah blah CADOJ says blah blah

Quick answer, yes. No COE required out of state when doing FTF.

Unfortunately, that dealer was misinformed. CADOJ cannot regulate FFL's outside of their jurisdiction, which is confined to the state of CA. What you do outside of CA is none of their business. When you return to CA with said C&R, then you, not the out of state selling FFL, have to deal with CA reporting/registration requirements. A quick call to the sellers ATF inspector probably would have solved the problem.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...Reason I ask is I was at a dealer that said due to CA law he could not sell me a C&R firearm even with an 03 FFL due to blah blah blah CA regulations blah blah blah CADOJ says blah blah

Often it helps to show the out of state FFL a copy of Form BOF 4100A. Right on the back of the form it explains how California C&R FFLs have to report C&R firearms that they acquire out of state. If the dealer is really just confused or overly cautious about California law then seeing that form might help him change his mind about making the sale. But if he's being an anti-California dickweed then he'll just come up with another excuse.

[senia]

So, if I purchase a C&R on the internet from a C&R collector in another state, which form should I use to report it? The one for "In-State" aquisition (BOF961) or Curio or Relic Firearm Report (BOF4100A). The second one is required if I "obtain curio or relic firearms WHILE out of state", but I didn't actually travel out of state to get it. On the other hand, the "in-State" form implies that I purchased it from a California resident. Technically, i took possession of the rifle in-State, so should I use the BOF961 form?

[six seven tango]

So, if I purchase a C&R on the internet from a C&R collector in another state, which form should I use to report it? The one for "In-State" aquisition (BOF961) or Curio or Relic Firearm Report (BOF4100A). The second one is required if I "obtain curio or relic firearms WHILE out of state", but I didn't actually travel out of state to get it. On the other hand, the "in-State" form implies that I purchased it from a California resident. Technically, i took possession of the rifle in-State, so should I use the BOF961 form?

You are taking physical possession in CA, so it would be considered an in state acquisition and you would use form BOF961.

[senia]

Thanks, that is what I was thinking too.

You are taking physical possession in CA, so it would be considered an in state acquisition and you would use form BOF961.

[rromeo]

I'm in Virginia. My friend is selling a C&R rifle to a California resident. The buyer sent a copy of his 03 FFL and said to ship it the address on the FFL. I told my my friend that it has to go to a dealer, but I just read this thread and I forgot about the COE. I don't know if the buyer has one, but if he does, then it's okay to send directly to him?

[krwada]

California

I'm in Virginia. My friend is selling a C&R rifle to a California resident. The buyer sent a copy of his 03 FFL and said to ship it the address on the FFL. I told my my friend that it has to go to a dealer, but I just read this thread and I forgot about the COE. I don't know if the buyer has one, but if he does, then it's okay to send directly to him?

The COE is a California thing.

From what I can gather; California does have restrictions of all transfers for handguns, (C&R or not) across state borders. This is primarily the reason why all those C&R Internet dealers will NOT ship ANY handguns, (C&R or no), to anyone who does not possess a TYPE-01 FFL.

Once a C&R transfer, (FOR LONG GUNS), is done across California State border; then it is up to the one who takes possession, (the California Resident), to have the COE and to file the proper paper work to 'ahem' ... register the firearm to the overlords ... (CADOJ) in Sacramento.

[8200rpm]

Can two CA residents who BOTH have Type 03 but WITHOUT a COE do a face-to-face transfer without involving a Type 01 FFL?