Cal Regs

[wtrtroughreg]

Now that I have my C&R, do I have to get any more licenses from Ca before I can buy through the on-line auctions or places like SAMCO, Aim Surplus, Classic Arms, and such?

[Pthfndr]

No. The C&R is enough. Make LOTS of copies. Do NOT sign the original!

[EOD Guy]

Here is a short synopsis of the California regulations concerning C&R firearms and licenses:

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Nope. As Pthfndr said, make a crapload of copies because you will need it.

P.S.

Don't max out your cards.

[M. D. Van Norman]

[EOD Guy]

Penal Code Section 12072 (d) requires that all firearms be transferred through a California dealer. There is no exception for Type 03 FFL holders.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Penal Code Section 12072 (d) requires that all firearms be transferred through a California dealer. There is no exception for Type 03 FFL holders.

...err, no?

The fuzziness comes from what the Feds say qualifies as C&R (such as certain civilian and military models), and California law pertaining to firearms capable of being concealed on a person (Handguns). Those have to go through 01 FFLs, IIRC. Even when I was pointed out my errors a couple months ago the Federal/State law was mixed up.

Unless you mean to tell me that having a rifle shipped to you that is 50+ years old from another state (or in-state) to you when you have an 03 FFL is a crime, or face-to-face transactions with the same rifle status as previously mentioned, I believe you are mistaken.

[M. D. Van Norman]

Well, that’s the conclusion I would draw from EOD Guy’s interpretation. It took me a while to get my FFL-03, because I was afraid it would be useless.

Even if you assume the 50-year exemption applies to out-of-state sellers, it only covers infrequent transfers, if I recall correctly. Are AIM, SOG, and the CMP criminals, or am I the criminal for buying their stuff?

[FortCourageArmory]

One other useful feature of an 03 FLL (C&R License) is that the holder can....with possession of a CA Certificate of Eligibility....avoid the one-handgun-purchase-every-30-days rule. Nice little side benefit. As for criminality, an 03 FFL may take delivery of any long gun deemed to be a Curio & Relic directly from an out-of-state source. This means an 03 FFL holder can purchase a rifle from Auction Arms and get it mailed direct to him as long as it's over 50 years old. No harm, no foul.

[vf111]

As for criminality, an 03 FFL may take delivery of any long gun deemed to be a Curio & Relic directly from an out-of-state source. This means an 03 FFL holder can purchase a rifle from Auction Arms and get it mailed direct to him as long as it's over 50 years old. No harm, no foul.

How about a California seller? Can a C&R holder purchase a >50 year old long gun from a Calif. seller without having to go through the typical transfer / 10 day wait through an 01 FFL? If so, does the seller have to be an C&R holder as well?

[jmlivingston]

Better than that - no license is required for the transfer of a longarm older than 50 years old.

John

[EOD Guy]

...err, no?

The fuzziness comes from what the Feds say qualifies as C&R (such as certain civilian and military models), and California law pertaining to firearms capable of being concealed on a person (Handguns). Those have to go through 01 FFLs, IIRC. Even when I was pointed out my errors a couple months ago the Federal/State law was mixed up.

Unless you mean to tell me that having a rifle shipped to you that is 50+ years old from another state (or in-state) to you when you have an 03 FFL is a crime, or face-to-face transactions with the same rifle status as previously mentioned, I believe you are mistaken.

No, one of the exceptions to the dealer transfer requirement is for C&R rifles and shotguns that are over 50 years old. Possession of a C&R FFL has no bearing on that exception. Also, both Federal and California law have the same definition for C&R firearms. California defers to the Federal law.

[EOD Guy]

How about a California seller? Can a C&R holder purchase a >50 year old long gun from a Calif. seller without having to go through the typical transfer / 10 day wait through an 01 FFL? If so, does the seller have to be an C&R holder as well?

The 50 year long arm exception is applicable to anyone in California legally able to possess the firearm. A C&R FFL has nothing to do with it on either end of the transaction.

[M. D. Van Norman]

[vf111]

The 50 year long arm exception is applicable to anyone in California legally able to possess the firearm. A C&R FFL has nothing to do with it on either end of the transaction.

So anyone legally able to possess a firearm can do cash & carry on a 50 year old or older long gun? I remember that was the case in the mid-90's but I thought that was changed?