Remington 700 Recall

[Dattebayo]

I'm not blaming Turner's per se. I would expect any corporate business to respond this way, it's the nature of the beast. However, I do think that response is wrong in this particular situation.

This situation is really nothing like the Toyota/GMC thing though. We're not oblivious to the danger. We're aware of the risk, and willing to accept it, and will acknowledge that in writing if need be. Additionally, once the rifle is in our possession, I can completely eliminate the issue by replacing the trigger and we can move on with our life. I can't re-engineer a car though.

It's not really a matter of patience either. This is no small delay, we're talking about a minimum of several months if this thing goes to the factory. We have no other long distance type rifle so its not like she could just play with something else in the meantime. She wouldn't be able to shoot/practice the entire time. She spent weeks researching the various makes and models and decided on this one in particular for a number of reasons. So getting a different one, like a Savage or something, is not really an option either.

Any company cannot knowingly sell you a defective product. It is just irresponsible. You do not own the rifle till the rifle's 10 day waiting period has passed and the dealer delivers the rifle through the CA DOJ. You placed a deposit for the rifle during the 10 day waiting period and it is your choice to deposit a minimum of 30% up to its entire amount.

If there is someone to be upset with, it would be Remington, not the company distributing the rifle. It would be negligent to sell a rifle to a customer knowing that there is a defect and the company would hold liability in such a transaction. There is no business that would sell a defective gun to you.

Turner's already tried to make the situation right with a full refund, not sure what else you could ask from a company.

The firearm was already sold more than 10 days ago. The waiting period occurs after you buy it, not before. The situation here is more like taking your car in for service, having them tell you it's subject to a recall, you declining repair, and them impounding your vehicle.

The decision to take possession should be controlled by the owner, not by the retailer at this point.

As said above, the rifle is not sold to you, but you place a deposit on the firearm until the 10 days has passed and delivered through the DROS system on the CA DOJ website. Until the gun is delivered, the firearms is still the property of the distributor.

[jpx0123]

Any company cannot knowingly sell you a defective product. It is just irresponsible. You do not own the rifle till the rifle's 10 day waiting period has passed and the dealer delivers the rifle through the CA DOJ. You placed a deposit for the rifle during the 10 day waiting period and it is your choice to deposit a minimum of 30% up to its entire amount.

If there is someone to be upset with, it would be Remington, not the company distributing the rifle. It would be negligent to sell a rifle to a customer knowing that there is a defect and the company would hold liability in such a transaction. There is no business that would sell a defective gun to you.

Turner's already tried to make the situation right with a full refund, not sure what else you could ask from a company.



As said above, the rifle is not sold to you, but you place a deposit on the firearm until the 10 days has passed and delivered through the DROS system on the CA DOJ website. Until the gun is delivered, the firearms is still the property of the distributor.

I agree with what you mean. but this is just for my edification. but it wasn't dros that didn't pass, its because of this recall. so in the eyes of the state is the rifle not registered under the purchasing party? or does it have to be picked up for it to complete?

[Dattebayo]

I agree with what you mean. but this is just for my edification. but it wasn't dros that didn't pass, its because of this recall. so in the eyes of the state is the rifle not registered under the purchasing party? or does it have to be picked up for it to complete?

After the 10 days, the DROS system through the CA DOJ has a "Deliver" button that has to be pressed before the state locks the firearm serial number to the person being DROSed. It isn't something that automatically happens after 10 days, it has to manually be done by the distributor when the purchaser of the firearm comes to pick up the gun. This is also why if you do not come in within 30 days of starting the DROS, the DROS is voided.

Before the 10 days has transpired or after the 30 days since the DROS began, the "Deliver" button is not even an option on the website and the distributor cannot legally release the firearm to you. Until the firearm is delivered, one doesn't legally own the firearm. Once it is delivered though, the firearm is legally owned by the individual, weather he paid for the firearm or not. The DROS system was updated this year that delivery of the firearm has to be done 10 days from the second the DROS is submitted. If you come in before the that time, once again, the "Deliver" button is unavailable until the appropriate time has passed.

[Simi-Surfer]

Trigger upgrade for me, Timney 510 . Not sending it back. I am sure that it will be months before it comes back.

[Bull Elk]

Yes the recall is real. No, it's not the safety, but rather the XMP trigger. Supposedly the rifle can fire if dropped. Most major retailers in the Sacramento area have pulled the 700's of their shelves and are shipping them back to Remington. There are no 700's on the shelves at any Sportsman's Warehouse stores. They've been shipped back several days ago. I was told by my local gun store that this recall affects more than 1 million Remington's and that first priority to be repaired are dealer unsold 700 stock and then previously sold private ownership 700's. Estimated time to repair all unsold dealer stock is 90-120 days. Second priority are those rifles already sold. Now, this is what I was told, so it may not be 100% correct, but I trust my sources. By the way, the recall notice was sent to dealers April 11, not April 1 as previously noted. I actually read the email notice provided to my FFL - like it matters at this point.

I wonder if Remington can survive another gun recall. Their reputation slipped badly with the Walker trigger recall. Now their new and improved XMP trigger has issues.

[ohlone]

Are you saying that our privately owned 700 more likely won't be serviced within 3-4 months? Then if i don't plan to shoot mine anytime soon, there is no point to send it in now......

[Dirte]

Any company cannot knowingly sell you a defective product. It is just irresponsible. You do not own the rifle till the rifle's 10 day waiting period has passed and the dealer delivers the rifle through the CA DOJ. You placed a deposit for the rifle during the 10 day waiting period and it is your choice to deposit a minimum of 30% up to its entire amount.

If there is someone to be upset with, it would be Remington, not the company distributing the rifle. It would be negligent to sell a rifle to a customer knowing that there is a defect and the company would hold liability in such a transaction. There is no business that would sell a defective gun to you.

Turner's already tried to make the situation right with a full refund, not sure what else you could ask from a company.



As said above, the rifle is not sold to you, but you place a deposit on the firearm until the 10 days has passed and delivered through the DROS system on the CA DOJ website. Until the gun is delivered, the firearms is still the property of the distributor.

Did you miss the part where I said I wasn't blaming Turner's?

[Dirte]

Hallelujah!

They let her sign a waiver and she picked up the rifle this afternoon.

For once it seems common sense has prevailed. A truly rare occurrence, especially regarding firearms in California.

For the record, although I thought this was the proper course of action all along, I realize they could have gone the other way and there's not much we could have done about it. So I'm thankful to the people at Turner's for helping us out.

[ar15barrels]

Are you saying that our privately owned 700 more likely won't be serviced within 3-4 months? Then if i don't plan to shoot mine anytime soon, there is no point to send it in now......

I would give it 4-6 months for them to get through the big rush of guns that are sent in immediately before I sent a gun in to them...

[Bull Elk]

Are you saying that our privately owned 700 more likely won't be serviced within 3-4 months? Then if i don't plan to shoot mine anytime soon, there is no point to send it in now......

that's what I was told; however, you should confirm with Remington.

[Mayor McRifle]

You are 9 days late.
That happened on April 01.

Shootin' from the hip? Good call.

[Dattebayo]

Did you miss the part where I said I wasn't blaming Turner's?

I did catch what you wrote. It just seemed convoluted with mixed feelings and wasn't sure if you were or were not upset with distributors. The response to the situation was the right one and if they made the exception, you are certainly lucky in your case.

I'm not blaming Turner's per se. I would expect any corporate business to respond this way, it's the nature of the beast. However, I do think that response is wrong in this particular situation.

By the way, the recall notice was sent to dealers April 11, not April 1 as previously noted. I actually read the email notice provided to my FFL - like it matters at this point.

Not sure what you were previously noting, but I believe I said Apr. 10th on my original post. The CEO of my company was notified on Apr. 9th and the store managers were instructed to remove them off the shelves the day after.

[Simi-Surfer]

I will have my Timney trigger tomorrow and installed by the weekend - done deal. I personally have no plans to send my rifle back and go without it for several months. It was worth it to me to spend $125 and get a new trigger and call it a day.

If it were me, I would have found/contracted with local gunsmiths to check, repair if needed and clean. Can you imagine the cost of shipping everything back and forth and the replacement of lost rifles - cause you know its going to happen at some point.

[Dvrjon]

I find myself completely confused by a number of assertions made here, and would appreciate some additional clarification.

Any company cannot knowingly sell you a defective product. It is just irresponsible.

But, they've already sold it. Now they are refusing to deliver the buyer's property. Of course, we now know that apparently they CAN knowingly transfer a defective product.

Hallelujah! They let her sign a waiver and she picked up the rifle this afternoon.

You do not own the rifle till the rifle's 10 day waiting period has passed and the dealer delivers the rifle through the CA DOJ.

I was unaware that the firearm is delivered "thru the CA DOJ". I've always gotten delivery through my FFL. I thought that CA DOJ had nothing to do with actual delivery. My understanding is that they can direct that the sale be withheld or delayed, thereby affecting the FFL's ability to deliver, but the delivery does not go through them.

I don't work in the industry, but was under the impression that the CA DOJ "Deliver" button in DES does not indicate a sale. I was told it only indicates that possession of the buyer's property has transferred to the buyer. The sale was reported in the initial DROS input.

As said above, the rifle is not sold to you, but you place a deposit on the firearm until the 10 days has passed and delivered through the DROS system on the CA DOJ website. Until the gun is delivered, the firearms is still the property of the distributor.

When I purchase a firearm, the dealer will not initiate DROS until full payment (for both the firearm and the DROS activity) are in his possession. After I pay in full, ("substantial performance" under the contract) I get a sales receipt, not a deposit slip. I also get a copy of the Dealer Report of Sale, not of "deposit". This concept of "DROD" (Dealer Report of Deposit) is not easily located in statute.

Until the firearm is delivered, one doesn't legally own the firearm. Once it is delivered though, the firearm is legally owned by the individual, weather (sic) he paid for the firearm or not.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=871735&highlight=DROS+ownership

A relevant excerpt:

For all of those who wish to nitpick this I want to point out something exceedingly obvious.

DROS stands for Dealers Record of SALE.

-Gene

You own the firearm the moment the complete and agreed upon amount of money has changed hands. You may not possess it until you complete the 4473 and/or the DROS/waiting period (for now.)

-Gene

Best,

JR

[DDRH]

Looking for a quick answer...

Does anyone know if the 700 Police models 26" have the XMP trigger or the 40X?
Bought mine last year...haven't even shot it yet. I'm at work right now, and cannot check the rifle itself.

Hope i don't have to send it back.