Shield remorse.. Wait maybe not..

[penguinofsleep]

i also don't think the LCI or disconnect are that big of a deal in and of themselves but will echo that the choice/s should be left to the buyer, not the state. i personally wouldn't mind a LCI, disconnect, and/or manual safety on certain firearms, assuming they are all well designed and executed, but by no means want them on every single firearm.

LCI because it's like an "extra" way to press check or confirm the chamber is loaded (not that we should rely on it solely). like someone else said, most ADs come from handling the firearm. done well, it need not be intrusive, etc while still being reliable. it may just be how obnoxious the state wants LCIs to be that makes them bad.

disconnect (as well as a manual safety) can be useful too. there was a report or study i read somewhere about many officers/LE getting into a scuffle with the bad guy/s where flipping on the safety at the last second or dropping the mag kept them from getting shot with their own gun or bought them enough time in the moments the bad guy had to fumble with their gun for officers/LE to take proper action. all the while, the same report didn't show any recorded or reported incidents of external safety or mag disconnect getting any officers/LE killed. firearms w/o a disconnect or manual safety did get turned on the LE/officers in a few instances though. of course, this will inevitably vary for someone carrying openly that society knows/expects to be armed vs a "random" carrying concealed that, at least theoretically, no one should know is armed, although i wouldn't be surprised if some of the LE in the report were in plain clothes during their incidents.

[Dattebayo]

Quite honestly, the CA features do not really bother me all that much in the Shield. it really bothered me at first but I just don't really care about it as much as my CZ's. It is a tool and it has not had a single malfunction since I have owned it, with over 1000 rounds through it now. I may have considered getting a non-CA model Shield if I didn't get CA Shields for free.

[Riffplayer88]

I'm buying a shield in a week or so.

That said, I've never CCW'd a gun with a switch safety. Anyone else in the same boat? I was just gonna train and carry with the safety off.

[CK_32]

The lci can be modified and the mag disconnect can be removed.

There is no way I'd pay more for a gun with "CAUTION CAPABLE OF FIRING WITH MAGAZINE REMOVED" in white lettering stamped into it. This imo is worse than the crap on the Cal version.

Yea I noticed that too. Almost as bad as the Ruger "billboard". Ruins a perfectly good gun.

I personally don't mind the non CA shield lettering. Could be seen past, at least for me. But I agree it's pretty stupid and an eye sore.

[CK_32]

I'm buying a shield in a week or so.

That said, I've never CCW'd a gun with a switch safety. Anyone else in the same boat? I was just gonna train and carry with the safety off.

I say do it. All my friends who own these said the safety has never engaged or disengaged on it's own. Both on CA and non models.

I've only seen 1 reviewer say it happened to him a few times. But he also like to disagree with everyone and I notice he loves to go against the grain and honestly I feel he makes a lot of stuff up just to be different.

I made sure to get the safety version, I'm running safety on. Don't trust my self with out some extra assurance.

[Riffplayer88]

I say do it. All my friends who own these said the safety has never engaged or disengaged on it's own. Both on CA and non models.

I've only seen 1 reviewer say it happened to him a few times. But he also like to disagree with everyone and I notice he loves to go against the grain and honestly I feel he makes a lot of stuff up just to be different.

I made sure to get the safety version, I'm running safety on. Don't trust my self with out some extra assurance.

I tried the safety at the shop. That thing is STIFF. I couldn't disengage it easily with my thumb.

[CK_32]

40 cal or 9mm version?


I was told the 40 cal has a substantially heavier safety spring.

[riderr]

I'm buying a shield in a week or so.

That said, I've never CCW'd a gun with a switch safety. Anyone else in the same boat? I was just gonna train and carry with the safety off.

Plenty of people carry subcompact 1911 and don't have a problem with the thumb safety.

[Riffplayer88]

9mm version.

[CK_32]

Well I went and fondled my shield and I looked, the LCI isn't as bad. I stared at it and it wasn't as bad as I remember. I kept looking and playing with it and it's not too distracting or obnoxious. When down I kind of like it. Semi streamline IMO.

Maybe I will be happy with it after all

The mag disconnect.... That's ganna go...

[EatsEverything]

That, at least, is easy to take out.

[Whiskey_Tango]

I have some handguns with a mag disconnect that can be fired without the mag by partially depressing the mag release and allowing the the trigger to be manipulated. As stated above if some idiot decided to bee cute and demonstrate the functionality of the mag disconnect with a loaded chamber they may get unintended results if they inadvertently depress the mag release.

[rogervzv]

I know I'm the only guy on the CalGuns forum who will say this, but I like the LCI and magazine safety. I find the LCI convenient, and I like being able to make a gun safe by taking the magazine out. So if I was you, I wouldn't let these features bother you.

Disclaimer: this preference does not mean that I like how our government forces it on us. Some people don't want those features, and they shouldn't be forced to have them.

My sentiments precisely.

I am old enough to remember when LCIs (which were not mandated by the Government) were considered to be a desirable feature for better guns; like my Beretta Model 84, for example.

I will not own a semi-auto that does not have a slide safety. The US Army taught me to carry with a slide safety and that is how I do it. Carrying with a round in the chamber is serious crapola. You need a safety.

I'm with RocketRider; I like being able to eject a magazine and thereby render the gun safe.

The trigger on my CA compliant Shield is fabulous. For its size the Shield 9mm really is the perfect carry gun.

[Daisy'sDad]

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I'm with RocketRider; I like being able to eject a magazine and thereby render the gun safe.

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As a carry gun, if there is a struggle and the mag is released, you might as well as not even carried, except to maybe use it as a hammer.
One reason why LEO's won't have it. To each their own.

[Jimi Jah]

I know I'm the only guy on the CalGuns forum who will say this, but I like the LCI and magazine safety. I find the LCI convenient, and I like being able to make a gun safe by taking the magazine out. So if I was you, I wouldn't let these features bother you.

Disclaimer: this preference does not mean that I like how our government forces it on us. Some people don't want those features, and they shouldn't be forced to have them.

Not the only guy, there are two of us.