Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[Cyc Wid It]

This is a good reminder for everyone to at the very least check the call to action sticky if you don't feel like following the 2A section closely. Lots of people (CGF and others) are putting in significant work in our best interest. Indifference and laziness have cost us enough already.

There are lots of ways to help. You can help by donating (money and/or time) to be sure, but everyone should at least be able to contribute the baseline: be informed, help inform others, and vote. Skip some TV time and get up to speed!

[B16]

I think its still there and it passed out of the Assembly Public Safety Committee and now goes to the Assembly Appropriations Committee.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...arch_keywords=

Thanks Duff.

I was re-reading the bill and the text you posted helped clear up my confusion.

[lrc1]

Dealers willing to ship off roster into California

Kittery Trading Post in Maine has M&P Shields, but won't ship them to an FFL in California. I tried to explain SSE but they wont ship here. Can anyone recommend out of state dealers who have experience shipping off roster guns shipping into California? Thanks.

[OldBlueMan]

Check with Ryan at Table Rock Arms in Medford, OR. He's SSEing a PPQ for me before sending it to my SoCal FFL.

[LBDamned]

Kittery Trading Post in Maine has M&P Shields, but won't ship them to an FFL in California. I tried to explain SSE but they wont ship here. Can anyone recommend out of state dealers who have experience shipping off roster guns shipping into California? Thanks.

keep an eye on Gun Broker... if you see one worth bidding on (or purchasing at buy now price), send a message to seller and explain that you have an 07 FFL that will make weapon compliant... typically they will agree and tell you that if you win the auction (or purchase at buy now price), you need to have FFL send their info (and sometimes a note, either fax or email).

There are also times that they will say if your FFL excepts as is, they will ship.

That's been my experience anyway.

[c-wick]

if a friend buys a pistol in NV and brings it to CA and I buy it from him ftf at a CA FFL with the intent on SSE'ing it at the FFL, does this incur the CA sales tax since it is a "private party transaction" (i understand the term ppt is reserved for CA residents)?
is this even possible or does non-compliant gun need to be shipped from FFL to FFL for SSE?

[OldBlueMan]

If the friend is a resident of CA, you can PPT it directly without having to SSE it. The roster doesn't apply to private party transactions. You also won't be charged the sales tax, as you mention.

If your friend is a CA resident and purchased the gun in Nevada, he/she will likely have broken the law if a CA resident (see this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=503873)

If your friend is not a CA resident, and moved here after purchasing the gun and wants to sell the gun to you, that can be handled as a normal PPT. Your friend will need to notify the state of the guns using this form:http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ab991frm.pdf within 60 days of bringing the gun into CA.

If your friend is not a CA resident and does not intend to become one, it gets tricky. According to the CGF wiki, it may work if 1)face-to-face transaction in California, and 2)the seller has CA or military ID as those are the only two forms of ID permitted for the DROS process (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Bu...rnia_residents)

Good luck!

[bigbob76]

When I was buying an off list pistol from somebody that moved here I couldn't
Get an FFL to do a ppt until he had a ca id

[kemasa]

if a friend buys a pistol in NV and brings it to CA and I buy it from him ftf at a CA FFL with the intent on SSE'ing it at the FFL, does this incur the CA sales tax since it is a "private party transaction" (i understand the term ppt is reserved for CA residents)?
is this even possible or does non-compliant gun need to be shipped from FFL to FFL for SSE?

Unless your friend is a CA resident, it would be subject to sales tax since the CA BOE has used the excuse that firearms from out of state are required by Federal law to go through a CA FFL, which makes them subject to sales tax (a change of view, although the law did not change).

A CA PPT is only between two residents of CA.

The firearm does not need to be shipped FFL to FFL. The restrictions only apply to the transfer of the firearm to the end user, which means that the firearm is not illegal nor does it have any additional restrictions under the law (other than a dealer sale, which is more than you think) than any other firearm.

[c-wick]

If your friend is not a CA resident and does not intend to become one, it gets tricky. According to the CGF wiki, it may work if 1)face-to-face transaction in California, and 2)the seller has CA or military ID as those are the only two forms of ID permitted for the DROS process (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Bu...rnia_residents)

Good luck!

suppose i should have added a few more details:
he is a non CA resident
has mil ID
gun can be brought to my local CA FFL for FTF transfer

these would be the costs incurred:
CA sales tax (since out of state gun)
out of state transfer fee
DROS

anything else i am missing? would SSE even be needed since gun is being personally taken to FFL by original owner?

[RippSpeed]

Whats going on with SSE ???? I heard it was going to be banned ??? Is this happening ???

[kemasa]

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these would be the costs incurred:
CA sales tax (since out of state gun)
out of state transfer fee
DROS

Does the person have CA duty orders? If so, then it could be a PPT.

There is not out of state transfer fee, it is just the FFL's fee which is not limited as a PPT is. The FFL would also not be required to do the transfer, so you need to check with the FFL to see what all the fees are.

anything else i am missing? would SSE even be needed since gun is being personally taken to FFL by original owner?

Unless the person has CA duty orders, it is not a PPT, so it would not be exempt from the certified list, so either you or the firearm would have to be exempt, meaning that the SSE would most likely be needed.

[Cyc Wid It]

Whats going on with SSE ???? I heard it was going to be banned ??? Is this happening ???

AB-169 Unsafe handguns

(2) Existing law makes the provisions defining and governing unsafe handguns inapplicable to a single-shot pistol, as specified.
This bill would instead make the provisions defining and governing unsafe handguns inapplicable to a single-shot pistol with a break top or bolt action. The bill would make this exemption inapplicable to a semiautomatic pistol that has been temporarily or permanently altered so that it will not fire in a semiautomatic mode. By expanding the definition of a crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

This is being pushed through right now. It's also on the previous page of this thread...


Also people, face to face and PPT are two different types of transfers. A face to face is only a PPT when it involves two CA residents. A face to face that is not a PPT is subject to the roster and whatever transfer fees the dealer feels like charging.

[RippSpeed]

AB-169 Unsafe handguns

(2) Existing law makes the provisions defining and governing unsafe handguns inapplicable to a single-shot pistol, as specified.
This bill would instead make the provisions defining and governing unsafe handguns inapplicable to a single-shot pistol with a break top or bolt action. The bill would make this exemption inapplicable to a semiautomatic pistol that has been temporarily or permanently altered so that it will not fire in a semiautomatic mode. By expanding the definition of a crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

This is being pushed through right now. It's also on the previous page of this thread...


Also people, face to face and PPT are two different types of transfers. A face to face is only a PPT when it involves two CA residents. A face to face that is not a PPT is subject to the roster and whatever transfer fees the dealer feels like charging.

Ok soo we're still good on the SSE ??? Right Cyc ???

cuz I have a few more custom STI's coming in ... that needs SSE

[c-wick]

Does the person have CA duty orders? If so, then it could be a PPT.

There is not out of state transfer fee, it is just the FFL's fee which is not limited as a PPT is. The FFL would also not be required to do the transfer, so you need to check with the FFL to see what all the fees are.



Unless the person has CA duty orders, it is not a PPT, so it would not be exempt from the certified list, so either you or the firearm would have to be exempt, meaning that the SSE would most likely be needed.

from what i gather, its just about finding the right shop who will put in the time/effort to do this (100% legally of course).
the last few pages have mentioned OC Armory as a potential place. Any other suggestions in the northOC/south LA area?