Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[Homebrew2]

Any additional information? There's not much on their website or facebook page either.

Not much, just reporting.
Per my email inquiry this weekend:
07 FFL, AR, AK, single shot off roster handgun friendly/capable.
Dealer transfers $80 (incl DROS), $65 for LE, military. PPT $35.
Does special orders.
Usually available evenings and weekends.
Very responsive to my email inquiries

[Stryprod]

What about a Springfield Armory custom shop gun? Would this have to go to OR than down to CA?

[Cyc Wid It]

If you're using Table Rock, yes.

[Stryprod]

If you're using Table Rock, yes.

Sorry, bad way to phrase my question.

Would it be possible to have a custom made Springfield 1911 sent to a CA FFL who would do the single shot exemption, or would it have to go through an out of state venue first and then to CA?

Or is this a question I would need to ask the SA custom shop?

[Cyc Wid It]

Sorry, bad way to phrase my question.

Would it be possible to have a custom made Springfield 1911 sent to a CA FFL who would do the single shot exemption, or would it have to go through an out of state venue first and then to CA?

Or is this a question I would need to ask the SA custom shop?

It can go directly to a CA FFL for conversion, but SA might ask you for confirmation if it's off-roster. They're pretty easy to work with in general so I don't see this being an issue.

OP has also been edited with a link to bwiese's explanation of the matter.

[G1500]

Sorry, bad way to phrase my question.

Would it be possible to have a custom made Springfield 1911 sent to a CA FFL who would do the single shot exemption, or would it have to go through an out of state venue first and then to CA?

Or is this a question I would need to ask the SA custom shop?

Is the custom shop doing the conversion? Otherwise it will need to go to an 07 FFL in CA, or sent to someone like Table Rock to do the conversion, then send it to your local FFL.

[bwiese]

Is the custom shop doing the conversion? Otherwise it will need to go to an 07 FFL in CA, or sent to someone like Table Rock to do the conversion, then send it to your local FFL.

Please re-read my new thread.

That 'outside CA conversion' was the product of inital caution/conservatism.

If it involves a take-out / drop-in part and no machining of the gun itself, an 07FFL is not needed.

If the gun is starting from a frame and built up - i.e, single-shot pistol built up from a raw 1911 frame, Glock clone built up from a CCI RaceFrame, or AR /AK pistol built up from a pistol receiver, then the building FFL needs an 07.

However, a dude just dropping in maglocks+filler mags and long barrels in - or removing DA sear on revolver - can be a plain FFL within CA. The wording in 12133 removes control of 12125 regarding concerns about any 'unsafe handgun' import matters, esp since such guns can be imported for LEOs.

[Cyc Wid It]

Bill, does this translate to long guns as well? (adding BB's to split rifles, etc.)

[Stryprod]

If it involves a take-out / drop-in part and no machining of the gun itself, an 07FFL is not needed.

If the gun is starting from a frame and built up - i.e, single-shot pistol built up from a raw 1911 frame, Glock clone built up from a CCI RaceFrame, or AR /AK pistol built up from a pistol receiver, then the building FFL needs an 07.

However, a dude just dropping in maglocks+filler mags and long barrels in - or removing DA sear on revolver - can be a plain FFL within CA. The wording in 12133 removes control of 12125 regarding concerns about any 'unsafe handgun' import matters, esp since such guns can be imported for LEOs.

Exactly... I would be looking for the custom shop to make a normal fully functional 1911 just like they would for anyone else outside of CA. I would then want them to ship it to a CA FFL to drop in the barrel, et al for the legal conversion.

It sounds like this IS POSSIBLE assuming SA Custom Shop would feel comfortable sending it to a FFL in CA.

[rromeo]

It may get silly here. First, I'm in Virginia. If I wanted to sell a Jericho pistol to somebody in California, I can make it single shot and dimensionally compliant myself, then ship it to a CA FFL for transfer. Correct?
My plan is to use a 41ae (because I found some really cheap) barrel and add 2.5" to the length for OAL compliance. Now, if I have a 9mm magazine in the well, is that good enough? Or too close for comfort?

[tshong]

Good news So. Cal. While reading a different thread this morning I found out about a gun shop in Ontario. The heart of the Inland Empire and pretty easy to get to from LA, Orange and San Diego counties.

The shop is called Cal-Arms. They are located at:

4451 Ontario Mills Parkway
Suite F
Ontario, CA. 91764
909-945-3113

https://www.cal-arms.com

Why I am I so excited about them you ask?

Well I want in and spoke with David Strait; the owner, today. They are a Type 07 FFL and will do Single Shot Conversion for people as requested. We didn't get in to any pricing but David assured me that he is very into customer service. And, I did get that feeling from him.

He also said that he would receive Single Shot Exempt guns for transfer if you found one at a different dealer. He is also up on the IntraFamliar transfer and understands that they are roster exempt and would be happy to receive all of your off-roster gifts from your parent/child/grandparent in other states. And, speaking about transfers. He has a very reasonable transfer fee. Only $65.00 and that includes the DROS fee.

David is former LEO and also runs a Private Investigation business.

When you go looking for his shop be sure to look for a business called "Spy Gear". They can't put up any signs at their location about guns so they also run this business from the same location.

OK, So Cal lets go get some guns.

I just physically walked into Cal Arms. They said they would not do conversions. However, they would be willing to handle transfer from an already converted pistol.

I think Cal Arms should be removed from the OP's list.

In my opinion, the list in the sticky should only include the 07FFL gunsmiths willing to do the conversion + Transfer. (Or we start another additional list for FFL's willing to handle SSE only)

[bwiese]

I just physically walked into Cal Arms. They said they would not do conversions. However, they would be willing to handle transfer from an already converted pistol.

I think Cal Arms should be removed from the OP's list.

In my opinion, the list in the sticky should only include the 07FFL gunsmiths willing to do the conversion + Transfer. (Or we start another additional list for FFL's willing to handle SSE only)

Please read my recent posts in the 2ndA/Legal forum....

...an 07FFL is not required to do 'no-gunsmithing' (i.e. no welding, machining, etc.) single shot conversions. If the relevant conversion parts drop in essentially akin to cleaning & reassembly of a gun,

The original discussion about 07FFLs was early cautiousness, but the phrasing in the 12133PC about "The Chapter" makes this moot.

Any FFL with a stack of spare extended barrels and cut-down mag catches (or nylon screw/nut combos, etc.) can do single-shotting or single-action revolver conversion.

[bwiese]

Bill, does this translate to long guns as well? (adding BB's to split rifles, etc.)

BBs etc. should be OK - in fact I even think BATF may have addressed this in the past.

[rromeo]

Bill, what do you think of my idea about a magazine for a smaller caliber as a sled?

[johnny1290]

Thanks

I'm from Texas and new to buying guns here in CA. This thread has helped me understand the issues involved in getting an masterpiece arms 9mm(mac clone) into CA.

I've found a couple places that were selling them, FWIW. Ammo Bros is one. They wanted $585 for a side cocker with scope rail and fake can. They had one or two MPAs for sale at the costa mesa gun show. ASI Arms (asiarms.net) had a mini for sale and had the same price for the side cocker as ammo bros.

I saw them for sale around $400 online so I thought 585 was a lot, but little did I realize how much work is involved to get one legally to CA.

Thanks guys