Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[morrcarr67]

just because some vendors do a mag lock on "mag in grip" pistols doesn't neccessarily mean that it is required. It may have just been a CYA move that they did, and remember that the SSE rules are still in flux to a small part.

Seems to me to be a good idea to CYA and install a mag lock.

[G1500]

My 1911 had the mag release replaced. G1500, you need the mag lock for the exemption, not for AW compliance. I think you may have mixed up the two.

For exempt pistols such as AR and AK variants, you will need to have a magazine lock 100% of the time if it has a threaded barrel, second hand grip, barrel shroud or detachable magazine outside the pistol grip. Since the magazine is outside of the pistol grip, it will need to be mag locked.

As far as on pistols without the evil features listed above, I do not believe there needs to be a magazine lock. My understanding is that most vendors insert a 0 shot sled to replace the magazine and somehow secure it in the magazine well, or block the magazine well off somehow. As long as the pistol can only hold one round at a time, it is a single shot, regardless of a magazine lock replacing the mag release. I feel that blocking off the magazine well accomplishes this because a standard magazine cannot be inserted.

Once you are in possession of the firearm, you can change out the barrel and the magazine block/sled. In the care of something with evil features, i.e. AR pistol, you MUST have a magazine lock for AW compliance.

[morrcarr67]

For exempt pistols such as AR and AK variants, you will need to have a magazine lock 100% of the time if it has a threaded barrel, second hand grip, barrel shroud or detachable magazine outside the pistol grip. Since the magazine is outside of the pistol grip, it will need to be mag locked.

As far as on pistols without the evil features listed above, I do not believe there needs to be a magazine lock. My understanding is that most vendors insert a 0 shot sled to replace the magazine and somehow secure it in the magazine well, or block the magazine well off somehow. As long as the pistol can only hold one round at a time, it is a single shot, regardless of a magazine lock replacing the mag release. I feel that blocking off the magazine well accomplishes this because a standard magazine cannot be inserted.

Once you are in possession of the firearm, you can change out the barrel and the magazine block/sled. In the care of something with evil features, i.e. AR pistol, you MUST have a magazine lock for AW compliance.

True. I think the problem is that people are using the term "Mag Lock" to cover what you just said.

As with a 1911 most people are "Locking" the magazine in place with longer grip screws. Buy doing is this way the screws are still considered a "Mag Lock" because they "Lock the Magazine" in place.

It's just that most people think of a "Mag Lock" as a bullet button or some other device installed to replace or block the original magazine release.

[ke6guj]

As with a 1911 most people are "Locking" the magazine in place with longer grip screws. Buy doing is this way the screws are still considered a "Mag Lock" because they "Lock the Magazine" in place.

but is there any legal requirement that they even do that? I don't think there is.

[morrcarr67]

Good new for Southern California.

Good news So. Cal. While reading a different thread this morning I found out about a gun shop in Ontario. The heart of the Inland Empire and pretty easy to get to from LA, Orange and San Diego counties.

The shop is called Cal-Arms. They are located at:

4451 Ontario Mills Parkway
Suite F
Ontario, CA. 91764
909-945-3113

https://www.cal-arms.com

Why I am I so excited about them you ask?

Well I want in and spoke with David Strait; the owner, today. They are a Type 07 FFL and will do Single Shot Conversion for people as requested. We didn't get in to any pricing but David assured me that he is very into customer service. And, I did get that feeling from him.

He also said that he would receive Single Shot Exempt guns for transfer if you found one at a different dealer. He is also up on the IntraFamliar transfer and understands that they are roster exempt and would be happy to receive all of your off-roster gifts from your parent/child/grandparent in other states. And, speaking about transfers. He has a very reasonable transfer fee. Only $65.00 and that includes the DROS fee.

David is former LEO and also runs a Private Investigation business.

When you go looking for his shop be sure to look for a business called "Spy Gear". They can't put up any signs at their location about guns so they also run this business from the same location.

OK, So Cal lets go get some guns.

[G1500]

Good news So. Cal. While reading a different thread this morning I found out about a gun shop in Ontario. The heart of the Inland Empire and pretty easy to get to from LA, Orange and San Diego counties.

The shop is called Cal-Arms. They are located at:

4451 Ontario Mills Parkway
Suite F
Ontario, CA. 91764
909-945-3113

https://www.cal-arms.com

Why I am I so excited about them you ask?

Well I want in and spoke with David Strait; the owner, today. They are a Type 07 FFL and will do Single Shot Conversion for people as requested. We didn't get in to any pricing but David assured me that he is very into customer service. And, I did get that feeling from him.

He also said that he would receive Single Shot Exempt guns for transfer if you found one at a different dealer. He is also up on the IntraFamliar transfer and understands that they are roster exempt and would be happy to receive all of your off-roster gifts from your parent/child/grandparent in other states. And, speaking about transfers. He has a very reasonable transfer fee. Only $65.00 and that includes the DROS fee.

David is former LEO and also runs a Private Investigation business.

When you go looking for his shop be sure to look for a business called "Spy Gear". They can't put up any signs at their location about guns so they also run this business from the same location.

OK, So Cal lets go get some guns.

Seriously? I am pretty sure I have seen it before but was not interested in spy gear.

I will have to stop by later!

Good find.

[morrcarr67]

but is there any legal requirement that they even do that? I don't think there is.

I'm only going with the fact that these are "Single Shot" pistols. If you you have a removable magazine and insert a magazine that holds more than 0 rounds how is that a "Single Shot" pistol?

[morrcarr67]

Seriously? I am pretty sure I have seen it before but was not interested in spy gear.

I will have to stop by later!

Good find.

It's in the same center as Chop Sticks House Chinese restaurant.

[anoldguy]

Gunsmiting

I'm only going with the fact that these are "Single Shot" pistols. If you you have a removable magazine and insert a magazine that holds more than 0 rounds how is that a "Single Shot" pistol?

Check out post #2 from Cyc_Wid_It above and the 1st & 3rd Q&A.
M

[ke6guj]

I'm only going with the fact that these are "Single Shot" pistols. If you you have a removable magazine and insert a magazine that holds more than 0 rounds how is that a "Single Shot" pistol?

at the time of DROS, it just needs to be presently a "single shot" pistol, not that you could make it a multi-shot pistol.

Just like some people initially thought you needed to render a single-shot pistol incapable of automatically extracting the spent round, I think that this is just cautiousness that people have for "conventional" pistols that are being made SSE.

[morrcarr67]

Check out post #2 from Cyc_Wid_It above and the 1st & 3rd Q&A.
M

Those questions have nothing to do with what ke6guj and I are discussing.

The thing that ke6guj and I are discussing is if they need to be fixed to be considered a "Single Shot" pistol.

[morrcarr67]

at the time of DROS, it just needs to be presently a "single shot" pistol, not that you could make it a multi-shot pistol.

Just like some people initially thought you needed to render a single-shot pistol incapable of automatically extracting the spent round, I think that this is just cautiousness that people have for "conventional" pistols that are being made SSE.

I see where you're coming from with that. And it does seem to make sense.

I still think some kind of lock would be a good CYA feature to have.

[G1500]

I see where you're coming from with that. And it does seem to make sense.

I still think some kind of lock would be a good CYA feature to have.

When I hear "Magazine lock" I think BB type lock, or something that manipulates the magazine release so that it will no longer release the magazine.

When I think of single shot pistol, I don't think BB style mag lock, I think appropriate OAL and BBL length and no way to fit any type of magazine into the firearm. Whether this is accomplished by fitting a dummy magazine into the magwell and rendering the release useless (With a screw or whatever means), or by putting a blocking plate into the upper part of the magazine well that is held in by means of a screw or clips so that a standard magazine will not fit into the firearm.

If and how the manufacturer wishes to cover their *** is up to them.

[RippSpeed]

Just picked up my P30LS variant 1 from StraightLine Tactical, after the one shot convo from Table Rock Arms... Both awesome customer service and will be going back to straightline tactical for my AR10 lower...

I will wait for the CCW rules to change here in Los Angeles (fingers cross)... And I'll do a HK USP compact or an another P30 from Table Rock Arms...

here she is:


Heckler & Koch P30LS variant 1 by rippspeed1, on Flickr

[emgee00]

Just picked up my P30LS variant 1 from StraightLine Tactical, after the one shot convo from Table Rock Arms... Both awesome customer service and will be going back to straightline tactical for my AR10 lower...

I will wait for the CCW rules to change here in Los Angeles (fingers cross)... And I'll do a HK USP compact or an another P30 from Table Rock Arms...

here she is:


Heckler & Koch P30LS variant 1 by rippspeed1, on Flickr

What was the total OTD on this gun? I am very interested in the P30 as well. Thanks, mg