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  • axioma
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2017
    • 81

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    • Cokebottle
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      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Oct 2009
      • 32373

      Manufacturing for sale has nothing to do with the unsafe handgun law.
      It is not legal to manufacture an off-roster pistol that is not in a roster-exempt form.

      As long as your AR pistol was manufactured and converted from roster-exempt to semiautomatic prior to Jan 1 2017, you're good to go.
      Effective Jan 1 2017, the definition of "manufacture" was extended to encompass "assembly of parts" and the general feeling among members who have a good grasp on the law is that it is no longer legal to convert from roster-exempt to semi-auto.
      - Rich

      Originally posted by dantodd
      A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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      • axioma
        Junior Member
        • Feb 2017
        • 81

        Originally posted by Cokebottle
        Manufacturing for sale has nothing to do with the unsafe handgun law.
        It is not legal to manufacture an off-roster pistol that is not in a roster-exempt form.

        As long as your AR pistol was manufactured and converted from roster-exempt to semiautomatic prior to Jan 1 2017, you're good to go.
        Effective Jan 1 2017, the definition of "manufacture" was extended to encompass "assembly of parts" and the general feeling among members who have a good grasp on the law is that it is no longer legal to convert from roster-exempt to semi-auto.
        ok but did I need to volreg when it was roster-exempt? I had so much fun making it with a 0 round sled and no gas system, that I kinda forgot the volreg it before I converted it to semi auto

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        • Cokebottle
          Señor Member
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Oct 2009
          • 32373

          Originally posted by axioma
          ok but did I need to volreg when it was roster-exempt? I had so much fun making it with a 0 round sled and no gas system, that I kinda forgot the volreg it before I converted it to semi auto
          It can be Vol-Reg'd any time, so long as it was completed in an exempt form and converted in 2016 or before.
          - Rich

          Originally posted by dantodd
          A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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          • trg-s338
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            • Jun 2005
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            • michaelinfv
              Junior Member
              • Feb 2016
              • 92

              Originally posted by Cokebottle
              It can be Vol-Reg'd any time, so long as it was completed in an exempt form and converted in 2016 or before.
              Does it require reg if it has no evil features?

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              • SVTPete83
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                • Apr 2013
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                • igs
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2017
                  • 941

                  Originally posted by Cokebottle
                  Manufacturing for sale has nothing to do with the unsafe handgun law.
                  It is not legal to manufacture an off-roster pistol that is not in a roster-exempt form.
                  As long as your AR pistol was manufactured and converted from roster-exempt to semiautomatic prior to Jan 1 2017, you're good to go.
                  Effective Jan 1 2017, the definition of "manufacture" was extended to encompass "assembly of parts" and the general feeling among members who have a good grasp on the law is that it is no longer legal to convert from roster-exempt to semi-auto.
                  ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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                  • Cokebottle
                    Señor Member
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 32373

                    Originally posted by michaelinfv
                    Does it require reg if it has no evil features?
                    80% does

                    AW registration requires a DOJ-issued serial number and AW registration.
                    - Rich

                    Originally posted by dantodd
                    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                    • Cokebottle
                      Señor Member
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 32373

                      This is NOT correct under California law.
                      - Rich

                      Originally posted by dantodd
                      A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                      • igs
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2017
                        • 941

                        Originally posted by Cokebottle
                        This is NOT correct under California law.
                        I already quoted the code.

                        ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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                        • Cokebottle
                          Señor Member
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 32373

                          Originally posted by igs
                          I don't know what you are reading into that code, but it does not say what you are claiming that it says.
                          - Rich

                          Originally posted by dantodd
                          A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                          • igs
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2017
                            • 941

                            Originally posted by Cokebottle
                            I don't know what you are reading into that code, but it does not say what you are claiming that it says.
                            What do you think it says? Where is the code that says what you think it says?
                            ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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                            • Nor*Cal
                              Veteran Member
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 2687

                              Originally posted by igs
                              What do you think it says? Where is the code that says what you think it says?
                              https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201520160AB857https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201520160AB857

                              Scroll down and read "CHAPTER 3. Assembly of Firearms"

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                              • igs
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2017
                                • 941

                                Originally posted by Nor*Cal
                                for sale
                                ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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