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  • pew.pew.pew
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2017
    • 95

    Can I legally buy , posses and take to the gun range an AR Pistol, that has an OEM serialized receiver marked PISTOL, from a CA resident via FFL transfer of the lower?
    My neighbor has an AR Pistol he is willing to PPT to me.
    Last edited by pew.pew.pew; 11-22-2017, 3:17 PM.

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    • Quiet
      retired Goon
      • Mar 2007
      • 30242

      Originally posted by pew.pew.pew
      Can I legally buy , posses and take to the gun range an AR Pistol, that has an OEM serialized receiver marked PISTOL, from a CA resident via FFL transfer of the lower?
      My neighbor has an AR Pistol he is willing to PPT to me.
      PPT of semi-auto AR pistol with "bullet button" = illegal [PC 30600(a)]
      PPT of semi-auto AR pistol with fixed 10 round magazine = legal
      PPT of manually operated AR pistol = legal
      PPT of a single-shot AR pistol = legal
      PPT of an AR pistol receiver = legal
      sigpic

      "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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      • Cokebottle
        Señor Member
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Oct 2009
        • 32373

        Originally posted by Quiet
        PPT of semi-auto AR pistol with "bullet button" = illegal [PC 30600(a)]
        PPT of semi-auto AR pistol with fixed 10 round magazine = legal
        PPT of manually operated AR pistol = legal
        PPT of a single-shot AR pistol = legal
        PPT of an AR pistol receiver = legal
        We really do need a "like" button

        As usual, on point and accurate with no BS or speculation.
        - Rich

        Originally posted by dantodd
        A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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        • HUTCH 7.62
          In Memoriam
          • Aug 2006
          • 11298

          Guess I better get hopping on that XM177E1 build
          Some say that he once mooned two prostitutes just for a round of drinks, but wasn't surprised by the reply......They call him, the Hutch
          Some say that he rode a dirtbike 7k miles across the country and that he once applied Bengay to his own testicles for a mere $50............They call him, the Hutch -Top Gear

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          • RHSth4
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2016
            • 1076

            Anybody got a stripped pistol lower they want to sell?

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            • igs
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2017
              • 941

              Originally posted by Quiet
              It needs to be a single-shot that operates with a break-top/open action or with a bolt-action and it can never have been a semi-auto prior to being made into a single-shot. [PC 32100(b)]
              The entirety of article 4 and 5 is referring to the sale of unsafe handguns that are concealable. If you are building the pistol for yourself, or modifying one that you already purchased, then it does not apply. And it is questionable if an AR pistol is even concealable.
              ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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              • Cokebottle
                Señor Member
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2009
                • 32373

                Originally posted by igs
                The entirety of article 4 and 5 is referring to the sale of unsafe handguns that are concealable. If you are building the pistol for yourself, or modifying one that you already purchased, then it does not apply. And it is questionable if an AR pistol is even concealable.
                It is also illegal to manufacture a non-rostered or non-roster-exempt handgun.

                Has been for over 10 years.
                - Rich

                Originally posted by dantodd
                A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                • igs
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2017
                  • 941

                  Originally posted by Cokebottle
                  It is also illegal to manufacture a non-rostered or non-roster-exempt handgun.

                  Has been for over 10 years.
                  Illegal for sale.
                  ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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                  • Cokebottle
                    Señor Member
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 32373

                    Originally posted by igs
                    Illegal for sale.
                    Illegal to manufacture as well.
                    - Rich

                    Originally posted by dantodd
                    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                    • igs
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2017
                      • 941

                      Originally posted by Cokebottle
                      Illegal to manufacture as well.
                      Manufacture for sale
                      ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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                      • Cokebottle
                        Señor Member
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 32373

                        You are wrong, but whatever.

                        Good luck
                        - Rich

                        Originally posted by dantodd
                        A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                        • igs
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2017
                          • 941

                          That's why it's called the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale and why PPT are exempt. People tend to confuse the roster with the likes of AW or SBR which are illegal to possess.
                          ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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                          • Quiet
                            retired Goon
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 30242

                            Originally posted by igs
                            CA hass it's own criteria for determining who a "manufacturer" is.

                            Currently, there are licensed manufacturers (FFLs) and unlicensed manufacturers (non-FFLs).
                            sigpic

                            "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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                            • igs
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2017
                              • 941

                              Originally posted by Quiet
                              CA hass it's own criteria for determining who a "manufacturer" is.

                              Currently, there are licensed manufacturers (FFLs) and unlicensed manufacturers (non-FFLs).
                              You can only be a CA unlicensed manufacturer if you are a federally licensed manufacturer.

                              (b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to a person licensed to manufacture firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code who manufactures fewer than 100 firearms in a calendar year within this state.

                              ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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                              • Jimi Jah
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Jan 2014
                                • 19013

                                My old 7.5" has a DFM mag but I'm still too nervous to take it out. It will probably be saved for out of state useage to avoid issues here.

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