San Joaquin

[Heatseeker]

Questioning Moore on CCW issues would be a waste of breath.

His stance on the subject has been made quite clear by his actions. The common man in his county is not worthy of self preservation. Besides, don't you have a cell phone? Just call his department when your life is being threatened...

[petergriffin]

@Heatseeker

The point of my post was not to suggest Moore would see the light, but that he has a core group of "conservatives" or GOP fooled into believing he's actually pro-gun.

My inquiry to the president confirmed someones been saying 80-90% of CCW applications are being approved by Moore and any prior reluctance to issue them was based on a "strict" interpretation of a vague rule, which has now been loosened.

Now assuming the posters in this thread aren't all liars and felons, there is a disinfo campaign running at full throttle in order to keep him in.

I'll be there next Monday, and I hope everyone who has posted in this thread will be there too.

[Paladin]

@Heatseeker

The point of my post was not to suggest Moore would see the light, but that he has a core group of "conservatives" or GOP fooled into believing he's actually pro-gun.

That is often the case. These "politicians w/badges & guns" present themselves in the way that is most appealing to their audience, whoever that is.

My inquiry to the president confirmed someones been saying 80-90% of CCW applications are being approved by Moore and any prior reluctance to issue them was based on a "strict" interpretation of a vague rule, which has now been loosened.

Oh, yeah? Have him PROVE IT by making the changes to the San Joaquin SO website that I suggested in post #720, on page 18. Then, and ONLY THEN, should CGNers think that he MAY have actually changed his beliefs and practices.

Speaking of practices: to see how he's ACTUALLY practiced re. issuing CCWs, see the Calguns Foundation's survey of CCW issuance throughout the state, with stats from 2011-2013 here:

http://calgunsfoundation.org/carry-initiative/reports/cgf_carry-license-report-2013.pdf

Now assuming the posters in this thread aren't all liars and felons, there is a disinfo campaign running at full throttle in order to keep him in.

I would NOT be surprised. Remember: a lot of these sheriffs are little more then "politicians w/badges & guns." Keep that in mind when dealing with them.

I'll be there next Monday, and I hope everyone who has posted in this thread will be there too.

I support you guys in the fight, but I can see the SF Bay when I look out my window.... I just try to help CGNers around the state drag this state into the 20th century by issuing CCWs.

But you can ask him one thing for me. Ask him why he requires anything more than mere "self-defense" as Good Cause. The state law does NOT define Good Cause. He is NOT required to follow the 1977 CA AG's opinion as to the Good Cause standard. Mendocino, Sacramento, Stanislaus, and Fresno county sheriffs accept mere self-defense and they haven't had ANY problems with CCWs. 42 out of 50 states do not even require Good Cause. Why does he REFUSE to accept mere self-defense as Good Cause?

Bad Guys carry guns anyway. He's only keeping law-abiding residents from carrying them.

[FatCity67]

He is slippery and a very astute politician well entrenched in local political circles and well liked within the old guard Republican ranks of this county as well as the Valleycrats who contribute oodles of money to his campaign and afford him alot of political cover. Of which CCW's is very small issue with them.

Everyone who goes to this event I suggest you showup in business casual attire not jeans and RKBA tee shirts.

Just my opinon but it's a waste of time to try and corner him on this issue one on one public. If you dont handle this correctly it will solidify many "conservatives" support for him instead of driving the wedge in their support.

Also he will probably make political promises to go shall issue like Sacramento County only to do an about face after the election because of further considerations.

Moore is probably looking to make a run as a State Representative or Senate for this area after his law career is over. Understand that lots of big money interests that call themselves Republicans arn't as interested in your RKBA CCW rights as they are at getting their guy into office.

You need to think political guerrilla tactics with this guy. Frontal confrontations won't work.

Meh, my two cents YMMV.

[Paladin]

He is slippery and a very astute politician well entrenched in local political circles and well liked within the old guard Republican ranks of this county as well as the Valleycrats who contribute oodles of money to his campaign and afford him alot of political cover. Of which CCW's is very small issue with them.

Typical. They probably already have their CCWs or don't care about our RKBA, just care about making more $$$ for themselves....

Everyone who goes to this event I suggest you showup in business casual attire not jeans and RKBA tee shirts.

MegaDittos!

Just my opinon but it's a waste of time to try and corner him on this issue one on one public. If you dont handle this correctly it will solidify many "conservatives" support for him instead of driving the wedge in their support.

Disagree. "Corner" him, just don't "confront" him. Don't make it seem like an angry, hateful attack, just a polite, persistent trying to get him to explain why he does not accept mere self-defense as GC when Sacto does and hasn't had any problem w/it and Sacto has issued 10X the number of CCWs as he has!

http://calgunsfoundation.org/carry-initiative/reports/cgf_carry-license-report-2013.pdf

Sacto SO says IN WRITING, basically, that self-defense is presumptively adequate Good Cause, but that presumption may be trumped by other considerations.

Self-defense may be considered good cause for the issuance of a permit, however, each application is unique and the Sheriff retains the ability to deny permit applications where it appears that doing so is in the interest of public safety
From: http://www.sacsheriff.com/organizati...cw_process.pdf

Why won't he do the same and post it on his SO's website???

Also he will probably make political promises to go shall issue like Sacramento County only to do an about face after the election because of further considerations.

That's why this might be the IDEAL TIME TO APPLY for a CCW! Play the game to YOUR individual advantage as you're trying to improve things for the entire county.

Moore is probably looking to make a run as a State Representative or Senate for this area after his law career is over. Understand that lots of big money interests that call themselves Republicans arn't as interested in your RKBA CCW rights as they are at getting their guy into office.

Yep, like I mentioned at top: greed, er, "ambition" is considered a virtue by many Repubs....

You need to think political guerrilla tactics with this guy. Frontal confrontations won't work.

Don't be confrontational, just be polite and professional and box him in. That's right: Do NOT give him wiggle room to pull the wool over the audience's eyes.

If you're sweet and allow him to wiggle off the hook, you've lost your chance and you might as well have not even shown up.

[petergriffin]

Not looking for a protest, just direct questions about why he won't issue CCW permits on the basis of self-defense; why is SJ only central valley county that has this policy, etc.

This is a "conservative" event so I'd like to assume a significant portion of attendees will be perturbed that a speaker is anti-gun and don't realize that's his background.

If you have a pending app, or have been denied, I think your question would be powerful, so please consider attending.

[pointerman]

License stats are likely going to show inflated as he makes his next run for office. Just received my license with enough restrictions to make it useless. Very interested in removing this Sheriff from office.

[FatCity67]

License stats are likely going to show inflated as he makes his next run for office. Just received my license with enough restrictions to make it useless. Very interested in removing this Sheriff from office.

Bingo.

Ask Mr. Combs what it's like to deal with this Sheriff.

All good points BTW Paladin, however in this instance based on my personal experience its all academic.

Sounds defeatist but it's not. I'll devote my energies into fund raisers, support and glad handing for Withrow.

[Paladin]

All good points BTW Paladin, however in this instance based on my personal experience its all academic.

Sounds defeatist but it's not. I'll devote my energies into fund raisers, support and glad handing for Withrow.

While you may not get the Sheriff to change his position by showing up and asking these questions, you may undermine his support among the audience, decreasing the amount of time, money, and manpower he'll be able to raise from them, weakening him and making him more vulnerable to losing the election.

[Heatseeker]

@Heatseeker

The point of my post was not to suggest Moore would see the light, but that he has a core group of "conservatives" or GOP fooled into believing he's actually pro-gun.

My inquiry to the president confirmed someones been saying 80-90% of CCW applications are being approved by Moore and any prior reluctance to issue them was based on a "strict" interpretation of a vague rule, which has now been loosened.

Now assuming the posters in this thread aren't all liars and felons, there is a disinfo campaign running at full throttle in order to keep him in.

I'll be there next Monday, and I hope everyone who has posted in this thread will be there too.

I hope I didn't come off as a smart***. That was not my intent at all.

Having dealt with this man during the application process, I really have no use for him. He is nothing more than a slick politico riding the gravy train.

I do appreciate what you are trying to do by questioning him in front of some supporters. I hope it works~!

[blown57due]

Election

As a member of the SJCo. Farm Bureau, I contacted them a couple days ago and asked how they determine who they will endorse in upcoming elections. They have a 16 member panel that interviews canditates and then may endorse one of them. Thet said member requests have some impact, and any member that contacts them will have their request forwarded to the panel. We need all the endorsements for Pat we can get.
Anyone that is a member or knows members needs to contact the SJCo. Farm Bureau and let them know we endorse Pat Withrow,

[k6withrow]

"Pat Withrow is firmly my new choice for SJC Sheriff"

IF Withrow gets elected, you might get exactly what you voted for just like this Country did in another recent election.

We shall get no crying when the budgets go bad and cops are getting laid off and parts of the jail are being closed.

IF a CCW issuance determines what Sheriff get elected than WOW!!!

Hello everyone and thank you all for your support and words of encouragement. I'm sorry I have been on for awhile but as you can imagine I've been very busy. I did want to address "AcampoJim" post. In recent elections, the past 8 years, we have been stuck with Sheriff Moore. In that time he has wasted over 9 million dollars on planning a jail that would have bankrupted our county. How many cops would that 9mil put on the streets. He laid off numerous CO's, I guess they don't count in your eyes, and many of our vital civilian staff. He didn't lay off deputies only because we gave up raises and left 50 plus deputy positions unfilled. We saved those jobs...not him. This left us willfully understaffed on the streets but Mr. Moore kept his Undersheriff, two assistant sheriff's, his personal driver and his personal lobbyist. And by the way CCW's are not going to determine this election but the are a sign of how unsafe our citizens feel with Mr. Moore's leadership and no one man has the right to keep good citizens from protecting themselves, their families and their neighbors.

It's time we take our department back, our streets back and make San Joaquin County the safest place in the country. Sorry for the rant folks

[k6withrow]

For those of you who have been asking how they can help or how you can get signs, please just e-mail me at Patrick@withrowforsheriff.com and give me your info and we will get signs or information to you. You can also contact me via phone 603-3780 if you wish to speak to me in person. Its best to call me after work. If I can't answer I will call you back.

I would like to say that this election is going to come down to getting our message out so please, if you like what you hear or read, tell friends and family and make sure we GET OUT TO VOTE. Thanks again!!

[Heatseeker]

For those of you who have been asking how they can help or how you can get signs, please just e-mail me at Patrick@withrowforsheriff.com and give me your info and we will get signs or information to you. You can also contact me via phone 603-3780 if you wish to speak to me in person. Its best to call me after work. If I can't answer I will call you back.

I would like to say that this election is going to come down to getting our message out so please, if you like what you hear or read, tell friends and family and make sure we GET OUT TO VOTE. Thanks again!!

I'm a step ahead of you. You are arranging for a yard sign and should be attending a Neighborhood Watch meeting in Lathrop soon!

[Rigidarm]

Just got back from the Pat Withrow campaign dinner and it was great. Thanks to the kitchen folks behind the scenes for the nice evening.