San Joaquin

[92Fatboy]

I don't know that any of us are concerned with shooting at 7 yards (21 feet). The concern came with more than double that distance. 15 yards (45 feet) is a bit of a distance for a sub compact handgun. If I could take an inexpensive slam dunk qualifying class, I would. I will continue to get all the range time in that I can, but only because I enjoy the art and want to always continue to improve my skills.

No offense guys, but if you're worried about hitting a torso-sized target at 21 feet, on a range, with the opportunity to repeat the test if you fail, should you really be carrying a gun in public?

If you're even reasonably competent with your firearm you won't have a problem passing. If you really think you might have trouble, spend some time on YouTube watching videos, read the Gun Digest Shooters Guide to Handgun Marksmanship, and spend a few hours at the range.

Obviously there are a lot of CCW classes out there and you can choose any one you want, but I certainly wouldn't let the qualification test be the deciding factor.

[209Brent]

No offense guys, but if you're worried about hitting a torso-sized target at 21 feet, on a range, with the opportunity to repeat the test if you fail, should you really be carrying a gun in public?

If you're even reasonably competent with your firearm you won't have a problem passing. If you really think you might have trouble, spend some time on YouTube watching videos, read the Gun Digest Shooters Guide to Handgun Marksmanship, and spend a few hours at the range.

Obviously there are a lot of CCW classes out there and you can choose any one you want, but I certainly wouldn't let the qualification test be the deciding factor.

[MWD_Kelly_A187]

At the class I took, they didn't require these different range targets. All that they said is the law has no specific range to qualify. You have to demonstrate competency with your weapons.

I'm interested in that class also.

[bst1208]

I'm interested in knowing which class this was too.

At the class I took, they didn't require these different range targets. All that they said is the law has no specific range to qualify. You have to demonstrate competency with your weapons.

[Nor*Cal]

At the class I took, they didn't require these different range targets. All that they said is the law has no specific range to qualify. You have to demonstrate competency with your weapons.

Which class did you take?

[Zamble]

At the class I took, they didn't require these different range targets. All that they said is the law has no specific range to qualify. You have to demonstrate competency with your weapons.

[Heatseeker]

hoo boy... I have an LCP and Glock 42 listed for my CCW application. I have never tried them at 15 yards.

The LCP is a good little piece. My wife and I were easily able to qualify with ours. You should have no trouble. Keep an eye on the takedown pin though...

[DRAB_81]

hoo boy... I have an LCP and Glock 42 listed for my CCW application. I have never tried them at 15 yards.

The first time I ever fired my G42 was at the 15yd line during my qualification (I got it after I submitted my app & took my class, but I shot an extra qualification with it before I was approved). I have no experience with the LCP, but the G42 was ridiculously easy to qualify with. When you're shooting 6-reload-6 @ 15yds, 45 seconds is painfully slow.

[bst1208]

hoo boy... I have an LCP and Glock 42 listed for my CCW application. I have never tried them at 15 yards.

Wow! 15 yards (45 feet) is a long shot for a subcompact short barrel handgun... Not impossible of course, but takes practice. I hope should I ever need to draw in a life threatening situation that my threat is not 15 yards out.

[scrogginsb]

The Madison Society class was very good. I would recommend them.

[209Brent]

Is this experience with Valley Defense?

Yes

[bst1208]

Is this experience with Valley Defense?

I'm trying to remember exactly - I took it several months ago. It was a sequence of shots from 3, 5, 7, and I think 10 yards at standard IDPA silhouette targets. The instructor calls out how many shots you're supposed to fire and where (head or body). You fire a total of 21 rounds and must have 21 holes in the target. They're not worried about A-ring, B-ring, etc. If there are misses, you get to fire the number of rounds you missed from 5 yards and must hit 100%. So if you missed 3 shots, you fire 3 rounds and must hit with all of them.

It was pretty easy. If you have any competency at all with a handgun you'll pass. There were three people in my class who owed extra rounds at the end of the qualification and all of them passed with no problem.

At the very beginning of the day they lined us up and had us do a one-hole drill, firing at a 1-inch target on the silhouette from 2 yards. Several people missed the silhouette completely at that distance. Very few were firing anything tighter than 6-inch groups. To go from that to being able to qualify at the end of the day speaks well to the quality of the course.

[slipknot95758]

Here is the corse of fire from California security training academy. When I recertification to change a gun from my initial test he was saying he would be changing it to if any rounds fell outside the black it would be an automatic fail. With that in mind I had no problems passing and I had every round in the black with all 4 guns sig sp2022 in 9mm shield 9mm ria 1911 5" barrel and I added a glock 30s which is a 3.15 barrel.

I went through california security training academy off of freeport in sacramento. They are 115 for the class and one gun and then for each additional so 135 to qualify with three.

The course of fire is 50 rounds.

All stages are unsupported

Stage one. 15 yards 6 rounds 30 seconds two handed standing

Stage two. 7 yards 14 rounds 45 seconds two handed (6 rounds standing, drop to kneeling reload then 8 more rounds.

Stage three. 7 yards 12 rounds 25 seconds standing one handed (6 rounds strong hand reload 6 rounds weak hand) this posed a problem with my 1911 in my left hand the recoil left handed bumped the safety on after every shot.

Stage four. 7 yards 6 rounds in 10 seconds two handed standing

Stage five. 5 yards 6 rounds two handed grip standing (3 rounds in 4 seconds done twice)

Stage six. 3 yards 6 rounds two handed standing (2 rounds in 3 seconds done three times)

Stages start from the holster use a b27 target must have 40 rounds within the 8 ring.

I would defiantly recommend the class great info delivered in a way they kept everyone in the classes attention. The guy is an Australian born who legally immigrated so he warned use he used a lot of profanity.

Any questions feel free to ask

[shenecke]

Took me three tries with a snub nose 38 revolver at 15 yards!
Two times with my shield.
The hardest part is you can't see where you are hitting that far away to correct! I also took Wes' at LFI class. I highly recommend him!

[slayer61]

Wow! 15 yards (45 feet) is a long shot for a subcompact short barrel handgun... Not impossible of course, but takes practice. I hope should I ever need to draw in a life threatening situation that my threat is not 15 yards out.

That's just where I've been practicing with my Shield for such a test