San Bernardino

[Cokebottle]

Det. Logan on Wednesday said they're doing about 60 interviews a week when I asked her.

That's nuts....

Interview, investigation... they've gotta' have 4 or 5 deputies just handling the office work, not including the deputies that do the neighborhood checks.

If they don't have at least 4 or 5, Det. Logan is seriously overworked.

[Quiet]

That's nuts....

Interview, investigation... they've gotta' have 4 or 5 deputies just handling the office work, not including the deputies that do the neighborhood checks.

If they don't have at least 4 or 5, Det. Logan is seriously overworked.

The deputies are all behind the counter in the bullpin/cubicle area.
Count the desks and you'll know how many deputies are assigned to do background checks (they do CCW and employment).


The deputy that did my interview was also the deputy that did the residency check.

[Grouch729]

Anyone know if I can reprint my application I submitted?

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[Sapperforward]

I was never told you can't carry in a store that has a "Firearms Prohibited" sign posted. This was never said at my interview nor was I ever told that at the CCW class at Devore that is taught by the sheriff.

It was my understanding that those signs carry no force of law and that you can only be charged with trespassing IF the store employees spotted the gun and asked you to leave, and you refused to leave.

I'm not from SB but let me weigh in here. Your confusing legal vs. regulatory. You are correct, you would not be committing a crime that would result in legal action if you were to enter a business with a "No Firearms" sign. However if the police were called and your issuing authority was made aware of the issue they could revoke your permit (regulatory) without you suffering any legal issues. They could simply decided that you have bad decision making skills or have bad character and deny you the ability to carry. So their in fact can be consequences for ignoring the signs.

When I took my class (I'm Sacramento County)this issue was covered extensively by my instructor and confirmed by her husband, a county sheriff, who was helping her out with her class.

[tnyvillegas]

Hey guys I have a question, I submitted one gun on my application, and recently bought another one. Is there a way to add it?

[blindman]

Hey guys I have a question, I submitted one gun on my application, and recently bought another one. Is there a way to add it?

It's not final so you can add it range day

[Cokebottle]

Hey guys I have a question, I submitted one gun on my application, and recently bought another one. Is there a way to add it?

I changed my mind twice a month between application and class.

The automated system requires "something" to be listed on the app.
During the interview, that page is only glanced at and you will get a form to take to your range class.

I ended up qualifying and listing a gun that I picked up from gun jail 31 days before my class.

[tnyvillegas]

Sweet! Thanks fellas!

[abjrjrm]

Hey guys. I applied online, interview in September. Guess I can wait. The instructions say to bring a "copy" of your completed application, and not sign it, but there was never a "Print" button to print out the completed form? When I just print screen the application before hitting submit online, it prints, but nothing about a signature. Did I miss something? Thanks.

[Nopal]

Yep.

They averaged 350 per year until '13 (last year with numbers published by DOJ).
They claimed 4000 last October, which means that for '14 and '15 they doubled that to 700-750 per year.

75 applications/week? If all approved, that will be almost 4,000 just this year. Even if they get a bunch of boneheads and have to deny half of them, 2,000 new permits is impressive.

It's only impressive if you're so used to bureaucracy that you think glacials are speed demons.

OC did 7k in less than a year. Their secret? More work, less bloat. Still, given the constraints and mandated bloat that the folks who process the applicants/applications have to work with, they certainly deserve a hand for seriously stepping up to it. They can only do as much as the guys at the top allow them to.

[Quiet]

It's only impressive if you're so used to bureaucracy that you think glacials are speed demons.

OC did 7k in less than a year. Their secret? More work, less bloat. Still, given the constraints and mandated bloat that the folks who process the applicants/applications have to work with, they certainly deserve a hand for seriously stepping up to it. They can only do as much as the guys at the top allow them to.

Orange County Sheriff Department's budget is approximately two-thirds greater than the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department's budget.

[Nopal]

Orange County Sheriff Department's budget is two-thirds greater than the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department's budget.

And their process was, at the time, half as complicated as SBSD's currently is. Don't forget that.

[Cokebottle]

And their process was, at the time, half as complicated as SBSD's currently is. Don't forget that.

???

Does OC not have two interviews?
SB has only one.
On the "bloat"... they mail a letter to your employer and wait for the return.
That's not going to cause a delay unless your employer does not return the letter.
The neighborhood check? Takes 15 minutes if that.

Gone are the written and telephone references.
It really is a smooth process.

One area where OC is somewhat streamlined is the training, like Riverside and Ventura, putting responsibility for obtaining training on the applicant, where SBSD hosts their own classes.
But that's not much of a delay either... people are getting scheduled for training no more than 2-4 weeks from the date they clear background.
My permit was ready for pickup 6 days after I completed training.

I prefer the idea of having the SD hosting training, as it ensures that all applicants receive the same minimum training at the same cost. We are of course always free to seek additional training, but honestly, I'm not seeing the "bloat" in the actual process...
Where I'm seeing the problem is in the limited staff available to process CCW as well as new Deputy applicants.

There are only so many hours in a week.
Even if they run NO background check beyond sending the Livescan off to DOJ, it is impossible for one deputy to process more than 20-25 applicants a week, given limited prep, the interview, processing to go to DOJ, scheduling range and notification, and printing/issuing the permit.
You're looking at a minimum 3-4 hours per applicant.

As mentioned above, OC has a significantly larger budget. I would suspect that CCW are not being processed by Human Resources.

[Cokebottle]

Did you happen to notice this from another member's sig?

OCSD CCW Progress:
Applied: 3/23/2015
Initial Appointment:11/05/2015 @ 1400
Updated Initial Appointment: 11/05/2015 @ 0900
---Appointment waiting time: 227 Days---
Live Scan: 11/05/2015 @ 1300
Residency Check: 11/07/2015
Conditional Approval: TBD
CCW License Pickup: TBD
---Days Elapsed Since Initial Appointment: 81---

Took him 227 days from application to interview.
Mine was 90.
They did run a residence check.

He applied 3/23/15, I applied 5/18/15
He has not yet received conditional approval (authorization to take class?).
I had my permit over 2 weeks ago.

Seriously... I don't understand your issue with San Bernardino. It may not be the best county in the state, but of the counties that actually issue, it is far from the worst.

[Nopal]

???

Does OC not have two interviews?
SB has only one.
On the "bloat"... they mail a letter to your employer and wait for the return.
That's not going to cause a delay unless your employer does not return the letter.
The neighborhood check? Takes 15 minutes if that.

Gone are the written and telephone references.
It really is a smooth process.

One area where OC is somewhat streamlined is the training, like Riverside and Ventura, putting responsibility for obtaining training on the applicant, where SBSD hosts their own classes.
But that's not much of a delay either... people are getting scheduled for training no more than 2-4 weeks from the date they clear background.
My permit was ready for pickup 6 days after I completed training.

I prefer the idea of having the SD hosting training, as it ensures that all applicants receive the same minimum training at the same cost. We are of course always free to seek additional training, but honestly, I'm not seeing the "bloat" in the actual process...
Where I'm seeing the problem is in the limited staff available to process CCW as well as new Deputy applicants.

There are only so many hours in a week.
Even if they run NO background check beyond sending the Livescan off to DOJ, it is impossible for one deputy to process more than 20-25 applicants a week, given limited prep, the interview, processing to go to DOJ, scheduling range and notification, and printing/issuing the permit.
You're looking at a minimum 3-4 hours per applicant.

As mentioned above, OC has a significantly larger budget. I would suspect that CCW are not being processed by Human Resources.

There's this thing called "past tense." It's what I was using in my post. My point is that Orange County HAD a more streamlined process which allowed them to process a lot of applicants rather quickly, to the tune of 7k in a relatively short time. The only significant bottleneck was the DOJ clearance.

You can't seriously stand there and say that the SBSD process is not bloated. Just look in this thread about the delays because of employment checks, for example. While the classes in San Bernardino are top notch, they do fill out and are limited and that's another bottleneck. But more to the point, a detective or two driving all over the largest county in the United States to do conduct a few 15-minute checks is a detective or two that will be out of the office all day. Isn't the backlog largely blamed on a lack of resources?