San Bernardino

[Bldrinker]

I am doing a livescan on myself this weekend for that purpose so I can have exact dates. I want to go into this application as perfect as I can.

Is it a good idea to do a live scan on yourself?

[Cokebottle]

You can't seriously stand there and say that the SBSD process is not bloated. Just look in this thread about the delays because of employment checks,

That's not an issue with the county, it's an issue with the employer... and the only reported cases of this being an issue resulted in a 2-week delay.

for example. While the classes in San Bernardino are top notch, they do fill out and are limited and that's another bottleneck.

Again, doesn't seem to be a problem. Everyone who has posted indicated assignment to class within 14-45 days.
I was given my choice of one at 30 and one at 45.
Yes, the classes fill out, but they run more than 2 a month.

But more to the point, a detective or two driving all over the largest county in the United States to do conduct a few 15-minute checks is a detective or two that will be out of the office all day. Isn't the backlog largely blamed on a lack of resources?

The deputy/detective who conducted my residence check was not the detective who conducted the interview.
They MAY have a group of deputies who are perhaps in training, so don't conduct interviews but are involved in the process?

I'm honestly not seeing the "bloat" as being the issue... not at the county level.
Sacramento is taking 90 days to get the livescan clearance back. We are seeing very few delays that extend the interview-to-call-for-class by more than a week or two.
Interview delays are simply a function of the number of applicants, and they are working to improve that... and THAT is directly related to the budget. There's nothing anyone can do about it if you only have the staff to physically process 40 interviews a week, but you get 100 applications a week.

[Cokebottle]

like many others have said she is very helpful. Hope this helps you as well.

Sarah is extremely helpful, and has the patience of an angel.

[Cokebottle]

My point is that driving all over the county for a 15-minute check here and there is not required by California law and it's not something that's done by many IAs in the state. Ditto for the employer letter. Faced with such a backlog and such limited resources, to me, not-required == bloat.

Except that these are taking place during the 90 day wait for Sacramento to clear your livescan.

Claiming that this is causing a problem of bloat at the county level is the same as saying that your wife was wasting time playing Candy Crush while waiting for the dealer to change her oil.
There's nothing the county can do to speed the process along between the time of the interview and assignment to a class.

[Cokebottle]

If this was all about people skirting the residency, then why the employer letters? It seems to me that people work all over the place. But more to the point, if I read the number of people denied last year correctly, they were 11. Even if they were all denied for trying to skirt residency requirements (which seems unlikely), it seems to me that we're talking a very small number.

Four were for residency issues in 2013
If you've got the 2015 numbers, I'm sure Brandon would like to see them as well as the 2014 numbers, because Kamala still hasn't released them.
At least one of the 2015 denials involved a Calguns member, and it was for GMC, not residency.

The neighborhood check is just as much about GMC as it is residence.
A lot of people have clean legal records, but are pot-smoking belligerent drunks causing problems with their neighbors.
The employment check is 100% about GMC.

And since this thread is all about help, then please help. Is a certificate from a range class other than de department's acceptable by the SBSD? Just a yes or no would be satisfactory. Then we can get on with our lives.

It is not acceptable but is not a significant source of delay. Can you get into a Riverside or OC class on less than 2-4 weeks notice?

[Cokebottle]

All that is needed to verify your residency is your property tax bill, rental agreement and utility bills, There is no need to do any farther checks along that line or even contact any of your neighbors or employer as its not there business if you have applied for a CCW permit.

A LOT of people reside in LA, but own property out here.
Particularly cabins in the mountains.

They're okay with "dual residency", but they want to see at least 51% of your time legitimately residing within SBC.

[Cokebottle]

I am doing a livescan on myself this weekend for that purpose so I can have exact dates. I want to go into this application as perfect as I can.

Seriously, don't bother.
Your traffic violations won't show on that.
You SHOULD know of any criminal convictions or police contacts for anything more than traffic.

I did not mention ANY traffic violations prior to my DUI in 1991 (and I've had none since)

Unless you did something REALLY stupid, they are only really scrutinizing the last 10-15 years. Just be as honest and open as you can be. A livescan and running California and FBI background is great if you intend to get a COE, otherwise, it would be a waste of $100.
I've been livescanned 3 times, my wife twice. neither of us have ever been provided with the results of those scans.

[71MUSTY]

All that is needed to verify your residency is your property tax bill, rental agreement and utility bills, There is no need to do any farther checks along that line or even contact any of your neighbors or employer as its not there business if you have applied for a CCW permit.

I have property tax bills in three counties. Which one proves to you where I reside the majority of the time??

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe it is my any of my neighbors or my employers business either. Especially since a Deputy goes to my neighbors doors to tell them I'm applying for a CCW but not once has one come to my door to tell me about the Child Molester down the street.


And Nopal is correct about the 11 denials. That was I believe 2014 numbers. 400+ applications 11 denied primarily for residency issues. It's earlier in this thread somewhere.

BUT again this thread is about helping people get their CCW not about arguing about the counties policy Start another thread and I will discuss it there. NOT HERE

[R Dale]

A LOT of people reside in LA, but own property out here.
Particularly cabins in the mountains.

They're okay with "dual residency", but they want to see at least 51% of your time legitimately residing within SBC.

I would venture to guess that the majority of people that own property in two places don't pay utilities in both places, Yes I know there are those that may have a cabin in the mountains or similar set up but if they can show they actually reside in a place it should not matter to the county how much time they spend there.

[R Dale]

I have property tax bills in three counties. Which one proves to you where I reside the majority of the time??

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe it is my any of my neighbors or my employers business either. Especially since a Deputy goes to my neighbors doors to tell them I'm applying for a CCW but not once has one come to my door to tell me about the Child Molester down the street.


And Nopal is correct about the 11 denials. That was I believe 2014 numbers. 400+ applications 11 denied primarily for residency issues. It's earlier in this thread somewhere.

BUT again this thread is about helping people get their CCW not about arguing about the counties policy Start another thread and I will discuss it there. NOT HERE

Utility bills.

[71MUSTY]

Seriously, don't bother.
Your traffic violations won't show on that.
You SHOULD know of any criminal convictions or police contacts for anything more than traffic.

I did not mention ANY traffic violations prior to my DUI in 1991 (and I've had none since)

Unless you did something REALLY stupid, they are only really scrutinizing the last 10-15 years. Just be as honest and open as you can be. A livescan and running California and FBI background is great if you intend to get a COE, otherwise, it would be a waste of $100.
I've been livescanned 3 times, my wife twice. neither of us have ever been provided with the results of those scans.

^^^ THIS^^^ Seriously remembering every time I got a ticket would be like remembering every girl I kissed in college. I'm sure to forget a few and some names I never knew.

I actually told them I had to many tickets to remember in my 30+ years of driving.

[R Dale]

Four were for residency issues in 2013
If you've got the 2015 numbers, I'm sure Brandon would like to see them as well as the 2014 numbers, because Kamala still hasn't released them.
At least one of the 2015 denials involved a Calguns member, and it was for GMC, not residency.

The neighborhood check is just as much about GMC as it is residence.
A lot of people have clean legal records, but are pot-smoking belligerent drunks causing problems with their neighbors.
The employment check is 100% about GMC.

It is not acceptable but is not a significant source of delay. Can you get into a Riverside or OC class on less than 2-4 weeks notice?

I cant see a person being much of a problem in a neighborhood and yet have a clean record, As for GMC what if a person is unemployed?

[Cokebottle]

I would venture to guess that the majority of people that own property in two places don't pay utilities in both places, Yes I know there are those that may have a cabin in the mountains or similar set up but if they can show they actually reside in a place it should not matter to the county how much time they spend there.

A lot of those cabins are rented out a good portion of the year, so the utility bills are still coming in and paid.

^^^ THIS^^^ Seriously remembering every time I got a ticket would be like remembering every girl I kissed in college. I'm sure to forget a few and some names I never knew.

I think it would be easier to remember the girls than the tickets.
From high school until I was around 25, I *always* had 3 tickets on my DMV printout.

I actually told them I had to many tickets to remember in my 30+ years of driving.

Same for a number of things.
Pretty much "Ya, I did some dumb things in college"

I cant see a person being much of a problem in a neighborhood and yet have a clean record, As for GMC what if a person is unemployed?

Unemployed is not a problem.
Self-employed is always interesting because they send the form letter to the appliant
The letter asks 5 questions about attendance, responsibility, work habits, and an open field for comments.

As far as being a problem in the neighborhood and a clean record?
Sure... happens all the time.
Arguments with neighhbors that don't elevate to a call to the cops, family arguments or physical fights that the neighbors can hear, but the wife/child doesn't call the cops, loud parties, displayed racism (they specifically ask about racist comments), hanging out at the pool smoking weed....
Everybody has "that guy" living near them, and chances are good that he doesn't have an arrest record.
Very very very few people with an arrest record are guilty only of what they were arrested for, and the majority of crimes committed end up going unpunished because the perp is not identified.

[71MUSTY]

I cant see a person being much of a problem in a neighborhood and yet have a clean record, As for GMC what if a person is unemployed?

Unemployed, self employed, employed. Should not matter. I am self employed so they didn't send me a letter about me. They did send one to my wife's boss though. Pi ssed him off too, he thought she was applying for a county job cuz he didn't know what CCW was.

I totally agree the employer letter is a total waste of time.

[71MUSTY]

I think it would be easier to remember the girls than the tickets.
From high school until I was around 25, I *always* had 3 tickets on my DMV printout.

I was a street racer back in the day. I got at least 2 fix it tickets every weekend and sometimes 3 moving violations a month. Different era. DMV printouts had holes down the sides.