San Bernardino

[Cokebottle]

Pi ssed him off too, he thought she was applying for a county job cuz he didn't know what CCW was.

LOL!
My boss knew I was applying, but I guess he had forgotten (or honestly thought I was BSing him) when I told him that I needed the morning off for the interview with the county.
His response was "Hey, before you leave, can you please print out the job description?"

I printed out the application and instructions and handed it to him.
The look of relief and huge laugh was what finally drilled into my head that he thought I was leaving.

But seriously, your wife's boss?
That's crazy.
Assuming mine went to HR, as my boss never heard word-one about it.
If my wife were to apply, if they sent one to my actual boss, okay... he's met her a few times, but doesn't know her.
If it went to HR? They'd return it saying that they have no idea who she is!
The public works director has met her once, no more than a 15 second introduction.

[Cokebottle]

I was a street racer back in the day. I got at least 2 fix it tickets every weekend and sometimes 3 moving violations a month. Different era. DMV printouts had holes down the sides.

My printouts came on rolls....

[ACfixer]

Just to clear things up the best I can, I mentioned the "11 denied, mostly due to residency issues" in an earlier post. I go that info from Johnny Mac himself in the first post in this thread and I think he said that was 2013.

[Nopal]

Except that these are taking place during the 90 day wait for Sacramento to clear your livescan.

Claiming that this is causing a problem of bloat at the county level is the same as saying that your wife was wasting time playing Candy Crush while waiting for the dealer to change her oil.
There's nothing the county can do to speed the process along between the time of the interview and assignment to a class.

But they are being delayed because of things like employee checks, sometimes very long after the 90 day live-scan. It happened to me (nearly doubled the time). Why do you keep ignoring what others are saying? The truth is that these things are causing delays, discouraging some people from applying, and wasting resources. There is anecdotal evidence about it yet you keep saying that it's not an issue because in a perfect world that wouldn't happen.

[Nopal]

Unemployed, self employed, employed. Should not matter. I am self employed so they didn't send me a letter about me. They did send one to my wife's boss though. Pi ssed him off too, he thought she was applying for a county job cuz he didn't know what CCW was.

I totally agree the employer letter is a total waste of time.

Not only is it a waste of time. Some folks here have said they don't apply because of it. It is actually something to consider if you have anti-bosses.

[71MUSTY]

Not only is it a waste of time. Some folks here have said they don't apply because of it. It is actually something to consider if you have anti-bosses. I didn't apply for over a year for that reason alone.

Everyone has to weigh how much having a CCW means to them and what they are willing to do to get it. If keeping a job working for an Anti boss is more important that is a choice. There will always be choices involved with CCW.

I wish they would drop the letter to the employer or at least phrase it like a security clearance. But I also see many people grabbing any excuse they find not to apply.

I have been bugging a friend to apply for 2 years and he keeps putting if off. I've heard every excuse. If he really wanted it he would have it already.

The day I found out SBSD had issued a CCW to a normal Joe like my I printed an application. Got an interview date the next day. I found out and climbed the hurdles as they came along.

All I can say to people is If having a CCW in San Bernardino County is important to you Apply. Sooner the better. Quit talking yourself out of it. Quit making here's why. I would have rather gone thru the whole process and been refused then not apply. The odds are greatly in your favor only time stands in your way.

If you don't apply because you have an anti boss or because you are afraid of your neighbors then

They have already won.

[Nopal]

Four were for residency issues in 2013
If you've got the 2015 numbers, I'm sure Brandon would like to see them as well as the 2014 numbers, because Kamala still hasn't released them.
At least one of the 2015 denials involved a Calguns member, and it was for GMC, not residency.

The neighborhood check is just as much about GMC as it is residence.
A lot of people have clean legal records, but are pot-smoking belligerent drunks causing problems with their neighbors.
The employment check is 100% about GMC.

It is not acceptable but is not a significant source of delay. Can you get into a Riverside or OC class on less than 2-4 weeks notice?

And how many folks have been denied because of GMC? According to the latest (a bit dated) numbers, most folks are denied because of residency issues, and that's a very small number in itself. So, is it worth the trouble and expense in resources? How about random checks or something that is more efficient but does give the sheriff peace of mind? (because that is what this seems to be more about).

[Nopal]

Everyone has to weigh how much having a CCW means to them and what they are willing to do to get it. If keeping a job working for an Anti boss is more important that is a choice. There will always be choices involved with CCW.

I wish they would drop the letter to the employer or at least phrase it like a security clearance. But I also see many people grabbing any excuse they find not to apply.

I have been bugging a friend to apply for 2 years and he keeps putting if off. I've heard every excuse. If he really wanted it he would have it already.

The day I found out SBSD had issued a CCW to a normal Joe like my I printed an application. Got an interview date the next day. I found out and climbed the hurdles as they came along.

All I can say to people is If having a CCW in San Bernardino County is important to you Apply. Sooner the better. Quit talking yourself out of it. Quit making here's why. I would have rather gone thru the whole process and been refused then not apply. The odds are greatly in your favor only time stands in your way.

If you don't apply because you have an anti boss or because you are afraid of your neighbors then

They have already won.

True, which is why I finally did apply.

It is, however, something that the SBSD chooses to impose that is not necessary, and though not illegal, it's extra-legal. If SBSD is the pro-2A bastion it's supposed to be, why make things more difficult for those applying? It may not be a big deal to some of us, for some of us folks that may have jobs where they could be more easily replaced or that are highly political, it may be a huge deal. Seeing as though they hardly ever deny someone for anything, let alone employment check (I've yet to hear a denial because of an Employer check), why put such a burden on the applicant?

Wouldn't you think they'd want to make it simpler to exercise your 2A, not harder?

[blindman]

i think the employer letter is their way of deterring folks from applying without openly contradicting their pro ccw stance. knowing that there will be folks that won't apply because of it.

[Cokebottle]

It happened to me (nearly doubled the time).

Would have been nice to have had that information.

The only employment check related delay posted in the last 6-8 months that I recall was also around the holiday delays and was only a week or two.

So yours resulted in it taking over 9 months from application to issue?

[Cokebottle]

And how many folks have been denied because of GMC? According to the latest (a bit dated) numbers, most folks are denied because of residency issues, and that's a very small number in itself. So, is it worth the trouble and expense in resources? How about random checks or something that is more efficient but does give the sheriff peace of mind? (because that is what this seems to be more about).

Random checks open up the possibility of claims of profiling unless those "randomly selected" are restricted to white middle-aged males (sooner or later we're going to grow the huevos to complain too).

Everyone needs to play by the same rules, and everyone needs to go through the same process.

Yes, it is a small number of denials, but there ARE denials.
While the county is indemnified, they are still not free from pressure from Sacramento.
State law says Good Cause and Good Moral Character, and 4-16 hours of training.
The county is already running the minimum requirements for Good Cause, split the difference at 8 hours of training.
If they were to simply gloss over GMC completely and effectively go "shall issue", and there were an incident with a carrier who had a long history of arrests (but no convictions) or problems with their employer or neighbors, as well as an MMJ card and a couple of ounces of weed, there would be a LOT of pressure on the county to either tighten up requirements, perhaps under threat of funding cuts.

Likewise for residency.
Residency of the county didn't used to be a requirement. Some of the central California counties were issuing to LA residents like Arizona, so the state imposed the county residency requirement.

Same situation... LA resident who owns a cabin that he rents in Big Bear gets into an incident... The LA prosecutor starts hammering SBSD about why they issued to an LA resident.

[herdafer]

I have property tax bills in three counties. Which one proves to you where I reside the majority of the time??

None. One property tax bill may show which one was your primary residence on January 1st (homeowner's exemption), but none will identify what your primary residence was for the other 182 days.

Utility bills also don't prove any residence; they just show that the bill was sent to you and what usage there was at the property.

[Nopal]

Random checks open up the possibility of claims of profiling unless those "randomly selected" are restricted to white middle-aged males (sooner or later we're going to grow the huevos to complain too).

Everyone needs to play by the same rules, and everyone needs to go through the same process.

Yes, it is a small number of denials, but there ARE denials.
While the county is indemnified, they are still not free from pressure from Sacramento.
State law says Good Cause and Good Moral Character, and 4-16 hours of training.
The county is already running the minimum requirements for Good Cause, split the difference at 8 hours of training.
If they were to simply gloss over GMC completely and effectively go "shall issue", and there were an incident with a carrier who had a long history of arrests (but no convictions) or problems with their employer or neighbors, as well as an MMJ card and a couple of ounces of weed, there would be a LOT of pressure on the county to either tighten up requirements, perhaps under threat of funding cuts.

Likewise for residency.
Residency of the county didn't used to be a requirement. Some of the central California counties were issuing to LA residents like Arizona, so the state imposed the county residency requirement.

Same situation... LA resident who owns a cabin that he rents in Big Bear gets into an incident... The LA prosecutor starts hammering SBSD about why they issued to an LA resident.

I agree. That ultimately is what it's all about: Politics and money (threats of funding cuts whether real or imagined), public image, re-electabilty, etc. It's a sad state of affairs when "what ifs" supercede the supreme law of the land.

Now the real reason for may-issue becomes clear: From the beginning it was meant to be a segregation tool to be used against the Chinese and Mexicans (which were the scapegoats at the time it was passed). Though it is no longer used to attack racial minorities, you've very clearly outlined how that tool works.

[superhondaz50]

Off subject but anyone ever qualify with a 25 auto?

[Nopal]

Your post is more on-subject that mine. My apologies.