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  • Browneye
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2013
    • 746

    Originally posted by bigbob76
    Something to consider for anybody that is at the point of deciding where to get your training; be honest with yourself at this point! If you have been paying attention to the information shared by the people ahead of you it should be obvious that the training choices can be split into at least two basic categories. One type is bare bones and more of a means to get your ticket punched and get your card. At the other end of the spectrum people are getting actual training and being encouraged to do some critical thinking about the realities of carrying and the consequences of real life situations. I guess what I'm saying is don't kid yourself that you are going to take the easy way now and then get some real training later when you have more time. If you know in your heart that you need the training, get it now. We all know how life gets busy and things get pushed to the back burner and eventually forgotten about. CCW applicants are a mixed bag; some are very familiar with firearms and the harsh realities of life. Some are new to shooting of any type and have no clue about the dark side of human nature. In training you hear some disturbing things from some of the applicants. Some actually think they are going to be crime fighters, others want to discuss firing warning shots or shooting an attacker in some body part that won't cause permanent damage. Sorry if it sounds like I'm talking down to anybody but please take this decision about training seriously.
    Hmmm...it sounds like you think people don't take their training seriously, and that some of the OCSD authorized programs are inadequate. Perhaps this is a discussion to have with OCSD.

    The CCW training for OCSD is not designed or required to be a do-all end-all for weapons handling - it is to qualify for your permit application. And you're right that continued and ongoing training and practice are critical - but that's not what CCW training is for or about.

    All training curriculums have to be presented, proven to be acceptable, and authorized through OCSD. If some form of training class was inadequate it would not be accepted and approved.

    Saying someone should do this or that is fine, but regardless of which is chosen additional training and practice is always better and valuable.

    We talk about CCW insurance for lawyer representation and civil liability as well, should you actually have to use your firearm. That's not part of the training exercise but generally always covered as well.

    To answer Siglo4 - the classroom portion of training through SafeInsight is done online with a series of videos, slides, and summary testing, over several segments with a final test to prove you learned the material. It is designed to meet the hours of training required by OCSD.

    The range qualifying portion also meets OCSD requirements - firing approximately 75 rounds from each weapon on your application, demonstrating that you can hit a target close, medium, and far, with both hands, and can clear your gun in the case of a misfire. Depending on your dexterity with your weapons, this generally takes 30-40 minutes per weapon.

    Mike founded Safe Insight and does firearms training in more than 6 states and was a law enforcement officer for more than 20 years. He has trained literally thousands of people on firearms handling. He is also politically active in getting CCW training as an imperative in WA state - currently they do not require any training for a carry permit.
    1911 Shooter

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    • jpham96
      Junior Member
      • Aug 2011
      • 87

      TimeLine:
      Interview request: 03/10/16
      Initial interview: 07/22/16
      Live Scan: 07/25/16
      Live Scan received: 12/23/16
      Training: 12/27/16
      Sent in training cert: 01/06/17
      Conditional Approval: 01/13/17

      So it has been a little over 2 months and I still haven't received a pick up date. I've called multiple times for an update and they have been very nice every time. The only answer they could give me was that I am pending a pickup date but there was a hiccup in the system and they are backlogged.

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      • fatogato
        Member
        • Apr 2016
        • 103

        Originally posted by Siglo4
        Thanks guys!

        I'm trying to decide between Greg Block (quick, to the point, but almost two hour drive for me - twice), Ben Hansen (one very long day), and Safe Insight (mostly online so it's at my pace).

        I actually am leaning Safe Insight. Is it all online and then how much time at the range?


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        OC Firearms Academy does a 1 day training that last about 4 hours for the classroom and then you hit the range. Super quick and easy if you're looking for the fastest and cheapest training in OC.

        OC Firearms Academy

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        • fatogato
          Member
          • Apr 2016
          • 103

          Originally posted by jpham96
          TimeLine:
          Interview request: 03/10/16
          Initial interview: 07/22/16
          Live Scan: 07/25/16
          Live Scan received: 12/23/16
          Training: 12/27/16
          Sent in training cert: 01/06/17
          Conditional Approval: 01/13/17

          So it has been a little over 2 months and I still haven't received a pick up date. I've called multiple times for an update and they have been very nice every time. The only answer they could give me was that I am pending a pickup date but there was a hiccup in the system and they are backlogged.
          I'm in the same boat man. Going on 2 months now since they've told me my file is completed and I just need a final appointment. They've been really quick to respond to emails but unfortunately they are backed up and there's nothing to do but wait.

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          • Siglo4
            Junior Member
            • Jul 2015
            • 10

            Thanks for the input guys.

            Crap, looks like even if I do finish the training in May, it's probably going to be July or later until I can carry in this effing state!


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            • WyGoSlw
              Member
              • Jun 2016
              • 111

              I takes a while, be patient..
              CCW's
              CA AZ UT

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              • alphanumericone
                Junior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 44

                Originally posted by Blue Line
                Does the sherif come to your house? I've got a big *** gun safe in my garage is he gonna ask me to open it?
                They just checked with my neighbors to confirm I lived there.
                Doubt they would even come in if you were home.

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                • Albs
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2014
                  • 2158

                  Originally posted by Blue Line
                  Does the sherif come to your house? I've got a big *** gun safe in my garage is he gonna ask me to open it?
                  Yes and No.
                  "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
                  - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

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                  • heominhon
                    Member
                    • Jul 2014
                    • 429

                    Wooohooo, just picked up today. 11 months total, it could be faster but I'm thankful for OCSD.

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                    • Albs
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2014
                      • 2158

                      Updated timeline.

                      Timeline:
                      Renewal application sent via email: 2/7/17
                      Email stating good cause wasn't sufficient: 2/20/17
                      Emailed updated good cause: 3/7/17
                      Received emailed stating my file was submitted for review: 3/13/17
                      Received conditional approval: 3/15/17
                      Pick up date: 4/4/17

                      I didn't expect my renewal to be that quick, kudos to OCSD.
                      "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
                      - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

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                      • hbmoose
                        Member
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 309

                        Originally Posted by hbmoose View Post

                        My renewal timeline.

                        Aug 25 renewal app and docs emailed in, immediate reply of "received Thank you"

                        Jan 5th went ahead and did the renewal training just because, email it in and
                        got the "received, Thank you email on the 6th.

                        I expired on the 5th of January. Hard to be patient but I know they are busy.

                        Jan 26th was told by my Investigator that he just submitted my renewal.

                        Finally picked her up this week.
                        Last edited by hbmoose; 03-29-2017, 2:44 PM.

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                        • Sony
                          Junior Member
                          • Mar 2017
                          • 11

                          Originally posted by heominhon
                          Wooohooo, just picked up today. 11 months total, it could be faster but I'm thankful for OCSD.
                          What was your timeline like? I got my conditional approval Feb.16, had training done about 2 weeks before that and livescan return to OCSD late January. I can't be mad at OCSD, everyone there is just great and very friendly, but they are just extremely back logged. Anyone have a similar wait time?

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                          • fatogato
                            Member
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 103

                            Originally posted by Sony
                            What was your timeline like? I got my conditional approval Feb.16, had training done about 2 weeks before that and livescan return to OCSD late January. I can't be mad at OCSD, everyone there is just great and very friendly, but they are just extremely back logged. Anyone have a similar wait time?
                            Sent in my training and received confirmation email letting me know that my file was done on Jan 30. I didn't hear from them for a month so I emailed and was told I would be scheduled soon. I waited another month and then ended up calling. They finally just looked me up on their system and told me that I'm in line to be scheduled for an appointment and that's it's taking about 2 months just for pick-up appointments at this time.

                            So anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months after your file is finalized, you will receive an email for pickup. Good luck

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                            • Sony
                              Junior Member
                              • Mar 2017
                              • 11

                              Thanks for the help! Have they scheduled your pick up as of yet or are you still waiting? Any other timelines would be appreciated guys😎

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                              • heominhon
                                Member
                                • Jul 2014
                                • 429

                                Initial email was in 4/2016, got scheduled for interview 9/2016
                                Livescan done in 7/2016
                                Initial interview 9/2016
                                Residency verified 2 days later (in an early Sunday morning)
                                Got conditional approval 12/2016
                                Training done 1/2017
                                Got email for final interview beginning of march/2017
                                Pick up on march 23rd 2017.
                                The livescan was pretty bad, I went straight to OCSD to get livescan done there.

                                Originally posted by Sony
                                What was your timeline like? I got my conditional approval Feb.16, had training done about 2 weeks before that and livescan return to OCSD late January. I can't be mad at OCSD, everyone there is just great and very friendly, but they are just extremely back logged. Anyone have a similar wait time?

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