Los Angeles

[Big Jake]

Pretty sure I didn't say it can't be done. That's why I am going to try again. Plain and simple.

I was referring to moving out of LA County. Not obtaining a CCW in that toilet of a county. My apolgies for not being more clear!

[Paladin]

I am planning to give it another try pretty soon, just need to find time for it. Things have been incredibly hectic with work.

Sounds good, understand re. work.

If you do have the time, I would actually appreciate all the critiques on my good cause statement to help prepare the best application possible. I think a fresh set of eyes will be very helpful. I do not mind sharing my good cause statement with you, Paladin. Since you are experienced on this, if you know the content of my good cause statement and then we find out the result, both of us will have a better idea of what works and what does not work, and that in turn may help other potential applicants. I will PM you with my email address shortly.

I prefer to do "gun stuff" via CGN PMs to keep "fun stuff" from distracting me during the day.

[Weyoun]

A sheriff deputy told me the CCW license will be much easier to get in about 6 months or so. We'll see.

[Paladin]

A sheriff deputy told me the CCW license will be much easier to get in about 6 months or so. We'll see.

When did you hear this?

Hopefully, it will turn out to be true. I try to check up on all non-green counties' CCW webpages every 6 months (Su & Christmas holidays).

Like it or not, CCWs are a low priority for CLEOs. Dealing with Cop's unions, politicians (mayors, city council, Board of Sups), courts, budgets, overcrowded jails, media, "community activists", etc are all more important and urgent to them (but not to us).

[pacrat]

A sheriff deputy told me the CCW license will be much easier to get in about 6 months or so. We'll see.

Sorry if I seem skeptical. But I've been hearing this and similar claims since 1971.

[Paladin]

Sorry if I seem skeptical. But I've been hearing this and similar claims since 1971.

Mark your calendar on Oct 1 and when that rolls around, make a post reminding us all of their post/prediction.

Personally, I'll give AV until Dec 31, even though I hope "the sooner the better."

My guess is if there's any positive change, it will be to fulfill AV's campaign promise, not out of fear of us winning a Carry Case. But I'll take any win any way I can get it!

[Paladin]

Sorry if I seem skeptical. But I've been hearing this and similar claims since 1971.

You have good cause to be skeptical. But don't forget, folks never though they'd see the day when OC, San Diego, Stanislaus, Solano and Sonoma counties would liberalize issuance. I even remember when Sacto was dark red before flipping to dark green (I think in summer 2010). OC flipped to dark green in 2014 Feb with our Peruta 3-judge panel win (accepted SD = GC), and then back to light green with our en banc loss in 2016 June (required minimal GC and proof of it). Gore liberalized issuance in San Diego Co roughly in fall 2017, going from light red to light green.

This old, 2010 map isn't quite accurate -- San Mateo Co never was light green, it was yellow for awhile at best. 2010 was a year of big improvements due to Heller (2008) and McDonald (2010) and the 2010 sheriffs' elections. San Joaquin flipped from light red to light green, San Benito flipped from dark red to dark green, Stanislaus flipped from yellow to dark green, Glenn, Lake, and Colusa all went from light green to dark green. So imagine what the 2009 map would have looked like.

Now, compare that mental image of the 2009 map to the current map (Spring 2019) above. I'd guess (I'm not going to track down the old numbers, baggss may have them) we've gone from 40-60,000 CCWs in 2009 to >115,000 currently -- roughly double!

[baggss]

Animated GIF showing 2009, 2010 (with corrections), 2015 and Spring 2019. I recreated the 2009, 2010 & 2015 maps in the current template to make the comparison easier.

[kflakes]

Sounds good, understand re. work.



I prefer to do "gun stuff" via CGN PMs to keep "fun stuff" from distracting me during the day.

Paladin, I tried to send you a private message, but it looks like your inbox is full. Let me know when you have some space and I will resend.

Thanks!

[Paladin]

STOP THE PRESSES!!!

On the LASD's CCW webpage (http://lasd.org/ccw_info.html), the linked "CCW Policy" .pdf (http://lasd.org/pdfjs/CCW_Licensing_...April_2019.pdf) has a new revision date of 2019 April 16

Did anyone save a copy of the previous version to run a comparison?

Just eyeballing it, I see this document still contains the LIE about Good Cause:

According to Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department policy (5-09/380.10) and the California Supreme Court (CBS, Inc. v. Block, (1986) 42 Cal.3d 646), good cause shall exist only if there is convincing evidence of a clear and present danger to life, or of great bodily harm to the applicant, his spouse, or dependent child, which cannot be adequately dealt with by existing law enforcement resources, and which danger cannot be reasonably avoided by alternative measures, and which danger would be significantly mitigated by the applicant’s carrying of a concealed firearm.

As ANYONE can see, CBS v. Block was merely quoting the claims of LASD re. GC, not stating that was the legal requirement -- either by statute or case law -- for GC. See the case at: https://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/...-v-block-28477 The CA Sup Ct did NOT state that is the definition of GC, only that that is what LASD was using. Not only that, that quote is NOT even found in the majority opinion, but in the dissent by Mosk! (Scroll down to Mosk's dissent and about a dozen paragraphs into it (~1/2 way down the entire document) and you'll find it.)

If anyone has a point of contact with either the County Counsel or Sheriff's Dept's CCW Unit, they should alert them to this public misrepresentation of the law by the sheriff's department.

[kflakes]

[QUOTE=Paladin;22919624]STOP THE PRESSES!!!

On the LASD's CCW webpage (http://lasd.org/ccw_info.html), the linked "CCW Policy" .pdf (http://lasd.org/pdfjs/CCW_Licensing_...April_2019.pdf) has a new revision date of 2019 April 16

Did anyone save a copy of the previous version to run a comparison?

I have a copy of the previous version of the policy under Jim McDonnell when I applied over a year ago. It's attached here.

[recoil]

So nobody has anything new on this issue? AV is not in good favor with his reinstatement of fired deputies. He needs to perceive that granting CCWs would garner support from the community he wouldn't otherwise have.

[kflakes]

So nobody has anything new on this issue? AV is not in good favor with his reinstatement of fired deputies. He needs to perceive that granting CCWs would garner support from the community he wouldn't otherwise have.

[Paladin]

So nobody has anything new on this issue?

The latest was this post from April 8th:

A sheriff deputy told me the CCW license will be much easier to get in about 6 months or so. We'll see.

Until something changes, just EDC pepper spray, obey the 4-S Rule and enjoy life!

ETA: The 4-S Rule: (1) avoid being around Stupid people, (2) avoid doing Stupid things, (3) avoid going to Stupid places and (4) avoid being out at Stupid times.

[splithoof]

A sheriff deputy told me the CCW license will be much easier to get in about 6 months or so. We'll see.

How hard was he choking on his free donuts & coffee when he said that?
The editorial board of the Los Angeles Times will have to agree to it first, and then ALADS, then the bearded monkeys of the Board of Sup's. Not much hope in any of that bunch, status quo.
Please let me be wrong, but after watching the folks down in L.A. get brushed aside for eons, it's hard to believe the lying lips of policing politicians.