Los Angeles

[Cokebottle]

Until then, just carry pepper spray and obey the 4-S Rule, which you should be doing already and should continue to do even after getting a CCW and EDCing.

This.


A CCW is not a permit to be a cowboy.
If anything, it forces you to be more careful.
In many ways, the attitude and behavior that go along with having a CCW make it less likely that you will need to use your weapon.
Situational awareness, avoiding shady locations, staying away from shady people.

The 4-S rule should be printed on the back of every CCW

Avoid:
Stupid People
Stupid Places
Stupid Things
Stupid Times

Violating one presents an increased risk of needing to defend yourself.
Violating three almost guarantees a situation sooner rather than later.
Violating four means you're a typical college student.

[Yodaman]

This.


A CCW is not a permit to be a cowboy.
If anything, it forces you to be more careful.
In many ways, the attitude and behavior that go along with having a CCW make it less likely that you will need to use your weapon.
Situational awareness, avoiding shady locations, staying away from shady people.

The 4-S rule should be printed on the back of every CCW

Avoid:
Stupid People
Stupid Places
Stupid Things
Stupid Times

Violating one presents an increased risk of needing to defend yourself.
Violating three almost guarantees a situation sooner rather than later.
Violating four means you're a typical college student.

[kflakes]

You guys are great. Thanks for the comments. I am glad I found this supportive community. I am learning a lot for sure.

On the disclosure, yes, I did disclose everything, including the last speeding ticket in 2002 which was resolved. No rock was left unturned in my first application. I wanted to make sure everything was transparent. I was just surprised that even with my real circumstances, the good cause standard was so high that it was not sufficient.

[Paladin]

I was just surprised that even with my real circumstances, the good cause standard was so high that it was not sufficient.

That's because you probably never read what the California State Auditor found re. LASD/McDonnell during their audit of Sacto, LA and SD SOs' CCW practices: McDonnell didn't follow his own policy in 25 out of 25 CCW applications inspected.

[kflakes]

That's because you probably never read what the California State Auditor found re. LASD/McDonnell during their audit of Sacto, LA and SD SOs' CCW practices: McDonnell didn't follow his own policy in 25 out of 25 CCW applications inspected.

You're right, I have never read about that. That is crazy. I will have to find that article on the internet and read up on it.

[Paladin]

You're right, I have never read about that. That is crazy. I will have to find that article on the internet and read up on it.

Enjoy!

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1319779

[kflakes]

Enjoy!



https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1319779

Thanks, Paladin.

[CCWFacts]

So the new sheriff has been in town for almost two months now.

Does anyone have any indications about possible changes or news on his CCW issuance?

[Cokebottle]

So the new sheriff has been in town for almost two months now.

Does anyone have any indications about possible changes or news on his CCW issuance?

IMHO, it was a bit premature to change LACO to light red based only on published policy, which changed wording only slightly, without confirmations of easing of the policy.

[Yodaman]

IMHO, it was a bit premature to change LACO to light red based only on published policy, which changed wording only slightly, without confirmations of easing of the policy.

No doubt. May have all new campaign promises.

[kflakes]

IMHO, it was a bit premature to change LACO to light red based only on published policy, which changed wording only slightly, without confirmations of easing of the policy.

I agree. I have reviewed this newly published policy at http://www.lasd.org/pdfjs/CCW_Licens...y_Jan_2019.pdf, and I did not notice anything significantly different from the previous policy when I submitted my application under Jim McDonnell. My guess is that the review of the good cause statement and submitted evidence probably has not changed since the last time, which means that it's still practically impossible to meet, but I could be wrong.

Moreover, this article was published today: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...129-story.html. This article has nothing to do with CCW statistics since he took office, but it illustrates one of the several issues he has faced in his young tenure as the new Sheriff. After reading this, I do not think he will do anything too drastic to loosen up the issuance of CCW permits and invite new criticisms/attacks.

I'm going to wait and see for the next few months before considering reapplying. Maybe we will have more information after April/May.

[mej16489]

IMHO, it was a bit premature to change LACO to light red based only on published policy, which changed wording only slightly, without confirmations of easing of the policy.

Completely premature...but I kinda get it; Paladin was trying to encourage people to try.

[Paladin]

IMHO, it was a bit premature to change LACO to light red based only on published policy, which changed wording only slightly, without confirmations of easing of the policy.

(1) The map wasn't changed based upon that, but rather based upon AV's statements in media during campaign (see post #791). We assume a LEO will keep his word unless and until we have evidence to the contrary. We do not assume they're lying during an interview by the media. But it is only after being in office for months (up to half a year), that we decide whether to revert a change that was based upon mere campaign promises. His wording was such that yellow and light green were also options. We chose the most conservative: changing only 1 color to light red.

(2) If we just wait until 6 months after they're in office to make a change, a LOT of people who could have been issued won't apply and will be needlessly at risk by being unarmed. Plus, a LOT of people, seeing no change on the map won't even apply and so we'll have less data on which to base our later decisions. We can fall into the "chicken and egg" dilemma: no one who could get issued at light red applies because it still shows dark red. Because they don't apply, we don't have data/posts of light red people getting issued....

(3) We only changed LA Co 1 shade, to light red. As the map itself says, it may be off by 1 shade, but not 2 (IOW, we may show a dark red county as light red, but you can be confident that a yellow county isn't really dark red (barring a recent change in policy/practice).)

What's the worst thing caused by a change to light red? Some people who could get issued at light red, but not dark red, would apply, get denied, and be out some time, money and effort. But their lives are at such risk, I doubt they'd complain in giving it a try.

So, who here has applied since AV took office and got denied???

[Paladin]

WC, Glendora, La Verne, Diamond Bar Facebook groups to get their PDs to issue CCWs

Rather than just bellyaching, anyone lives in West Covina, Gardenia, La Verne, or Diamond Bar should be a member of their FB groups pushing their own PDs to issue CCWs!

West Covina CCW FB group

https://www.facebook.com/CCW4WESTCOVINA/

Glendora CCW FB group

https://www.facebook.com/GlendoraCCW/

La Verne CCW FB group

https://www.facebook.com/laVerneCCW/

Diamond Bar CCW FB group

https://www.facebook.com/DiamondBarCCW/

Best not to wait/count on the federal courts. We "won" Peruta at the 3-judge panel stage 5 YEARS ago, 2014 Feb 13, and yet many of us still can't get CCWs. I encourage you to get active.

Yet again: why aren't YOU LA Co CGNers, or even SoCal CGNers, pushing this? Why is it me, in the SFBA in NorCal, who is doing this??? Do you think they can't use your help? your talents/skills? your money? Or do you not think doing with cities within LA Co what the NRA has done with states within the USA, will help you? You don't have to live in those cities to help them with your phone and/or online with your computer.

ETA: IMO, what you need now are Torrance and Glendale people to step up and start Facebook pages for their cities, to get their PDs' CoPs to readily issue CCWs (ideally SD = GC).

[Yodaman]

So, who here has applied since AV took office and got denied???