Los Angeles

[Baja Daze]

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=26150.



Section (a) para [3] makes you sound correct as to POLICY. Until you get down to section (c).

So if a City has No MOU with Cnty, and DOES issue CCW. Like LAPD does. Even if very restrictive. You have to give the City first shot at denial of application.

I will speculate The LAPD Chief is a political puppet. Signing MOU with county. Would be abdicating a little bit of his POWER to the Sheriff.

Something that petty politicos just don't do. Because they would lose the ability to reward their political allies.

Thank you so much for that pacrat!

I still had to read that statute a few times for it to fully resonate, however I believe your interpretation is correct here!

And you are fully correct in regards to our LAPD Chief merely being a political puppet and I doubt his overlords would be happy if he signed an MOU with LASD, which as you pointed out would be abdicating some of the political power he wields as Chief.

Unfortunately, every LAPD Chief since Daryl Gates has been a mere political puppet of the corrupt City of Los Angeles, just a politician with a badge....

[pacrat]

Thank you so much for that pacrat!

I still had to read that statute a few times for it to fully resonate, however I believe your interpretation is correct here!

And you are fully correct in regards to our LAPD Chief merely being a political puppet and I doubt his overlords would be happy if he signed an MOU with LASD, which as you pointed out would be abdicating some of the political power he wields as Chief.

Unfortunately, every LAPD Chief since Daryl Gates has been a mere political puppet of the corrupt City of Los Angeles, just a politician with a badge....

I would definitely place Gates on the Butt Puppet list. Look at his "performance" during the 92 riots.

The one and only GOOD CHIEF that LAPD has had during my lifetime. Was Edward M. Davis. I even voted for him for US Senate.

[CCWFacts]

I still had to read that statute a few times for it to fully resonate, however I believe your interpretation is correct here!

I've said this multiple times already on this thread but I'll say it again. To know if you need a denial letter, first, understand which city you live in. I know, we should all know this but you would be astonished about how many people can't tell you which city they live in. "I live in LA, near the Trader Joe's in Culver." "Oh, so you live in Culver City?" "Uh... it's all LA." Etc. Well, don't be that guy, KNOW WHICH CITY YOU LIVE IN. It's important for CCW and many other issues as well. I have a friend who thought he was buying a house in Beverly Hills but was actually buying in Beverly Hills Post Office which is, congratulations, a sneaky real estate term that means precisely that the property is NOT in Beverly Hills. Yes that really happens, people including a friend of mine spent over a million dollars on real estate and thought it was in one city when it was actually in another city, and were misled by a RE agent. DON'T BE THAT GUY!

And many people don't live in any city. Large areas of Los Angeles County are not within any city and are called "unincorporated".

(Note to residents of San Francisco: Unique in California, SF is both a city and a county at the same time. There's no unincorporated area within San Francisco and no city other than San Francisco in the County of San Francisco. Everyone else in California, you're either in a city or an unincorporated area and you need to know which one.)

1. Are you one of the million residents of Los Angeles County who live in an unincorporated area, ie, an area of Los Angeles County that's not part of any city? Congratulations, apply directly to the sheriff.
2. Does your city have its own police department, or is it a "contract city" which is patrolled by the Sheriff? If it's a contract city, congratulations, apply directly to the sheriff.
3. Does your city have an MOU with the sheriff? If it does, it will be on this list. Congratulations, apply directly to the sheriff.
4. Did you get to this point without a "congratulations apply directly to the sheriff"? Sorry, you will need to apply to your police and likely get a letter of denial BEFORE you can apply to the sheriff. Think of it as a rehearsal. Take it seriously, just as seriously as your application to the county. And who knows, you may even have a chance of getting issued in your city.

[Simba_lbc]

I've said this multiple times already on this thread but I'll say it again. To know if you need a denial letter, first, understand which city you live in. I know, we should all know this but you would be astonished about how many people can't tell you which city they live in. "I live in LA, near the Trader Joe's in Culver." "Oh, so you live in Culver City?" "Uh... it's all LA." Etc. Well, don't be that guy, KNOW WHICH CITY YOU LIVE IN. It's important for CCW and many other issues as well. I have a friend who thought he was buying a house in Beverly Hills but was actually buying in Beverly Hills Post Office which is, congratulations, a sneaky real estate term that means precisely that the property is NOT in Beverly Hills. Yes that really happens, people including a friend of mine spent over a million dollars on real estate and thought it was in one city when it was actually in another city, and were misled by a RE agent. DON'T BE THAT GUY!

And many people don't live in any city. Large areas of Los Angeles County are not within any city and are called "unincorporated".

(Note to residents of San Francisco: Unique in California, SF is both a city and a county at the same time. There's no unincorporated area within San Francisco and no city other than San Francisco in the County of San Francisco. Everyone else in California, you're either in a city or an unincorporated area and you need to know which one.)

1. Are you one of the million residents of Los Angeles County who live in an unincorporated area, ie, an area of Los Angeles County that's not part of any city? Congratulations, apply directly to the sheriff.
2. Does your city have its own police department, or is it a "contract city" which is patrolled by the Sheriff? If it's a contract city, congratulations, apply directly to the sheriff.
3. Does your city have an MOU with the sheriff? If it does, it will be on this list. Congratulations, apply directly to the sheriff.
4. Did you get to this point without a "congratulations apply directly to the sheriff"? Sorry, you will need to apply to your police and likely get a letter of denial BEFORE you can apply to the sheriff. Think of it as a rehearsal. Take it seriously, just as seriously as your application to the county. And who knows, you may even have a chance of getting issued in your city.

[jimster716]

It will most likely go quicker if you mail the application in to the downtown L.A. address than it would be to take it to a local station. The CCW unit and the personnel making the decisions will most likely be located in downtown so you're just adding more time the process by giving the application to the local station.

[MajorCaliber]

I used a screen shot from crimemapping.com. I took a 12 mile rectangular radius and filtered out everything except robberies, assault with a deadly weapon, and murders for the past 90 days. Mine came out to 503 incidents.

[MajorCaliber]

Other possibilities would be car registration, car insurance, cell phone bill, bank statement, brokerage statement, credit card statement, health insurance documents, correspondence from a government agency especially if it involves a license of some sort.

[MajorCaliber]

Hey Dazz, what info did you provide to show you're in a high crime area? I'm wondering if working FT at a school will trump my business working with real estate agents in South Central and East LA?

I doubt you can be successful using your job at a school unless for some highly unusual reason you would be allowed to carry on school grounds with proof of such.

[dazz397]

[MajorCaliber]

Finally, there are many many ways to articulate your good cause and being in a high crime area is just one example I used. I think being a business owner that is the last one to leave every day and explaining some incidents I had was more of a determining factor. Crime is random. You can become a target anywhere so I am not sure how relevant it is that I was in a high crime area. My personal opinion is you have to articulate why you are more at risk than the standard population and that can be a combination of many other factors.

I agree that there can be many other factors. I was just addressing the issue of living or working in a high crime area as one of them. Many applicants will have that as their primary or only way to prove their risk is higher than that of the average citizen, so they are depending on getting the issue of that proof right.

[Baja Daze]

I've said this multiple times already on this thread but I'll say it again. To know if you need a denial letter, first, understand which city you live in. I know, we should all know this but you would be astonished about how many people can't tell you which city they live in. "I live in LA, near the Trader Joe's in Culver." "Oh, so you live in Culver City?" "Uh... it's all LA." Etc. Well, don't be that guy, KNOW WHICH CITY YOU LIVE IN. It's important for CCW and many other issues as well. I have a friend who thought he was buying a house in Beverly Hills but was actually buying in Beverly Hills Post Office which is, congratulations, a sneaky real estate term that means precisely that the property is NOT in Beverly Hills. Yes that really happens, people including a friend of mine spent over a million dollars on real estate and thought it was in one city when it was actually in another city, and were misled by a RE agent. DON'T BE THAT GUY!

And many people don't live in any city. Large areas of Los Angeles County are not within any city and are called "unincorporated".

(Note to residents of San Francisco: Unique in California, SF is both a city and a county at the same time. There's no unincorporated area within San Francisco and no city other than San Francisco in the County of San Francisco. Everyone else in California, you're either in a city or an unincorporated area and you need to know which one.)

1. Are you one of the million residents of Los Angeles County who live in an unincorporated area, ie, an area of Los Angeles County that's not part of any city? Congratulations, apply directly to the sheriff.
2. Does your city have its own police department, or is it a "contract city" which is patrolled by the Sheriff? If it's a contract city, congratulations, apply directly to the sheriff.
3. Does your city have an MOU with the sheriff? If it does, it will be on this list. Congratulations, apply directly to the sheriff.
4. Did you get to this point without a "congratulations apply directly to the sheriff"? Sorry, you will need to apply to your police and likely get a letter of denial BEFORE you can apply to the sheriff. Think of it as a rehearsal. Take it seriously, just as seriously as your application to the county. And who knows, you may even have a chance of getting issued in your city.

LOL! I know what city I reside in....And the fact that I need a denial letter first, that is not even the issue at hand here.

My comment had nothing to do with that matter. I wanted to ascertain if the LASD requirement to get denied from PD first where there is no MOU in place was just an LASD policy or statutory requirement and pacrat answered the question and I responded. Folks need to pay attention here and read....

[CCWFacts]

LOL! I know what city I reside in....And the fact that I need a denial letter first, that is not even the issue at hand here.

My comment had nothing to do with that matter. I wanted to ascertain if the LASD requirement to get denied from PD first where there is no MOU in place was just an LASD policy or statutory requirement and pacrat answered the question and I responded. Folks need to pay attention here and read....

I wasn't specifically responding to you on that, my apologies for being unclear on it. And you would be astonished at how many people aren't sure which city they live in. I had a friend who literally thought he owned his home in Beverly Hill but found out he had bought in Beverly Hills Post Office, which is the City of Los Angeles, this after paying a million dollars for it, and finding out Beverly Hills PD wasn't available to assist him. Obviously his RE agent had tricked him.

To everyone seeking a CCW in California, please be sure you know which city you live in.

[VinhTran1]

I wasn't specifically responding to you on that, my apologies for being unclear on it. And you would be astonished at how many people aren't sure which city they live in. I had a friend who literally thought he owned his home in Beverly Hill but found out he had bought in Beverly Hills Post Office, which is the City of Los Angeles, this after paying a million dollars for it, and finding out Beverly Hills PD wasn't available to assist him. Obviously his RE agent had tricked him.

To everyone seeking a CCW in California, please be sure you know which city you live in.

[Paul E]

[mj.medina@verizon.net]

Thanks for the tip. I'm going to schedule my training there.