Los Angeles

[cupobutter]

I think SB 918 is going to put a real damper on things for those that have already gotten permits and those who are going to get them. more power to AV and he gets my vote, but I wonder what LASD's stance on enforcement of this draconian law will be. It bothers me that Mia Bonta is one of the sponsors of the bill.

And we all know that if this gets taken up to the SC, it'll be at least a couple of years before we get a final ruling.

[awiner]

Los Angeles (update 12-01-2018) *** Time to Apply***

I think SB 918 is going to put a real damper on things for those that have already gotten permits and those who are going to get them. more power to AV and he gets my vote, but I wonder what LASD's stance on enforcement of this draconian law will be. It bothers me that Mia Bonta is one of the sponsors of the bill.

And we all know that if this gets taken up to the SC, it'll be at least a couple of years before we get a final ruling.

We are going to hope for an emergency injunction at best while the law suits make their way through the courts. But you are right this bill will pretty much make a CA CCW useless most everywhere in CA other then on your property.

[michaelh1951]

Other counties

My sympathy goes to our colleagues in Ventura and the other counties which already had reasonable CCW policies. They will likely find their existing CCW permits rendered nearly valueless by the Democrat hissy-fit over a supreme court decision.

[michaelh1951]

We are going to hope for an emergency injunction at best while the law suits make their way through the courts. But you are right this bill will pretty much make a CA CCW useless most everywhere in CA other then on your property.

And in fact, you don't need a CCW on your own private property in the first place!

[jrange3]

Sheriff Villanueva on a local newscast. First part on CCW and the article on CCW's.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/news/2022/07/13/the-future-of-concealed-carry-permits-in-california-?cid=id-app15_m-share_s-web_cmp-app_launch_august2020_c-producer_posts_po-organic

[awiner]

And in fact, you don't need a CCW on your own private property in the first place!

My point exactly.

[pacrat]

I'm dismayed by all the sheepleish Stockholm Syndrome folks bending over backwards to add non existant semantic credence to a Freak'n Rumor.

And RUMOR is what it is. And RUMOR it will remain. Until someone cites a source where the [1 YEAR] comes out of V's mouth for all to hear. OR A WRITTEN DIRECTIVE FROM BONTA, TO SHERIFFS.

A deputy paraphrasing what he believes correct. Is no more confirmation of fact, than a customer coming on here claiming that a gun law RUMOR;

"MUST BE TRUE cause I was told that by a gun shop COUNTER MONKEY."

YOUR .... is a singular possessive adjective. Anytime circumstances affecting YOURself change. That directly changes YOUR circumstances.

SB 918 will be enjoined and moot, REAL DAMN FAST, until the courts B-SLAP NewScum and the leftists who are blatantly doing futile end runs on the Bruen decision.

[thethreegs]

N/A

[cmarcc]

Why not reapply anyway? The worst they can do is say "no". If you don't reapply now, then you'll definitely not get a place in line. Why self-exclude? IMO, if the original reason for the rejection is now deemed unconstitutional, the licensing authority would be on shaky ground enforcing the administrative one-year waiting period.

[pacrat]

[1] ... It's not a rumor. Well part of it is. [2] ... Many, including myself, received directly from the Unit that they were advised to wait one year from denial. [3] ... That's not some rumor, that's the guidance they are abiding by the very people processing our CCWs. [4] ... What IS a rumor is whether they will not process it from the date of the denial or if it's a year, period. Meaning you need a re-application date post marked after your denial date.

[1] ... READ THE DEFINITIONS OF RUMOR. BOTH NOUN, AND VERB.

noun
[1] a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth.
"they were investigating rumors of a massacre"

Similar:
gossip
hearsay
tittle-tattle
the grapevine
the word on the street
scuttlebutt
poop
piece of gossip
speculation

Opposite:
hard facts

verb
be circulated as an unverified account.
"it's rumored that he lives on a houseboat"

[2] ... Yourself and Lares hardly counts as MANY. And even if there were MANY. It doesn't really matter HOW MANY believe a rumor. Numbers don't change semantic definitions.

Being advised by a Counter Monkey with a badge. Still falls short of VERIFIABLE CONFIRMATION. That is advice, not a MANDATE. That can only come from V or Bonta.

[3] ... Go back and read the definition of rumor. Again, supposed guidance, based on as yet UNVERIFIED ACCOUNTS, falls far short of a MANDATE.

[4] ... OK, because there is NO MENTION of a year in the statutes.

IF PERCHANCE; Bonta and/or V, are playing fast and loose by making unlawful onerous requirements to try and ignore the SCOTUS, Bruen-"THT" criteria for issuance. Anyone so affected should contact CRPA and request "plaintiff status" on the law suit that will surely be coming QUICK.

[laufine]

Today I went to Rowland Heights to join a protest to Stop Asian Hate crimes. Last Saturday noon, 2 armed suspects robbed 2 Chinese-American shoppers. Today I also met Sheriff Alex Villanueva. We asked about the CCW question. He answered that now, more than 10k applicants, but only 9 people work in the CCW unit.

[marcusrn]

Did you tell him you'd volunteer after you got your LTC? Did you tell the culo that you would carry Constitutional carry until he got caught up? Did you tell him your a citizen and not a chimp? Tell him to inform the CCW staff that they're going to have to work as resource Deputies at grammer schools. That will liven up their desk rat activity. I think it is reprehensible that sworn LEO are even involved in giving licensing. All that training and they should be arresting child molesters or parked outside a liquor store. We won the second ammendment carry fight, enough, no more sucking asse!

[marcusrn]

There has been many millions of dollars spent over the last 20 yrs on lawsuits dealing with Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police. This is a done deal. An armed citizen telling you that you should not be armed is an affront to your dignity. At least say Fvcu Officier. Cohen vs California 1971. Go Greta Thunberg on them!

[pacrat]

Today I went to Rowland Heights to join a protest to Stop Asian Hate crimes. Last Saturday noon, 2 armed suspects robbed 2 Chinese-American shoppers. Today I also met Sheriff Alex Villanueva. We asked about the CCW question. He answered that now, more than 10k applicants, but only 9 people work in the CCW unit.

He could fix that understaffed situation in short order. And actually save money in the process.

NOTHING in statutes mandates that ONLY, very expensive salaried, SWORN DEPUTIES can work in a LE CCW unit.

9 deputies acting as secretaries. Cost avg of $150k a year remuneration each. That's $1.35 Million dollars a yr. And that's low ball. Senior deputies with 10+ yrs on, below the rank of Sgt run at, or close, to $200K per yr. And we know he has a LT overseer in the mix. That's an easy $250k a yr. just for them. So overall expenditure is likely closer to $2 MILLION.

Put 7 of them back on the street. And keep 2 as Supervisory Positions. Use that MILLION+ DOLLARS saved. On 20 non sworn employees at $50k a yr. That takes the 1 Million left, and uses it to more than doubles the manpower and efficiency of the CCW unit. From 9 to 22 CCW unit employees.

Actual BG checks are already done by state and fed resources. LASD doesn't do any actual BG checks.

Have those 2 deputies review paperwork and conduct interviews. PERIOD.

No way in hell an actual "firearms" BG check takes MONTHS to conduct. Not when the Feds do it in minutes, searching all the largest LE databases in the country.

He said he is retooling to "SHALL ISSUE". And GC is done and gone. That leaves ALL NON PROHIBITED citizens qualifying for CCW.

There are other Ca. STATE FIREARMS LAW that MANDATES THAT DOJ DETERMINE WITHIN 30 DAYS MAXIMUM. Whether a person is prohibited or not. That is Ca pc-28220 [4]. Part of the DROS law.

SAME SHOULD BE TRUE FOR CCW.

[LARES]

@Pacrat I only bring this up because that is was a deputy who works directly with the CCW unit told me. I have been issued already but I called to find out more info for those who have been denied due to lack of GC and were thinking of reapplying before their 1 year mark.


@cmarcc the problem with that is, what if you just get a denial letter for not waiting the 1 year period (not saying you'll get denied, just a thought) then you just set yourself back another year.