Los Angeles

[Paladin]

I hope people in LA Co keep up with these online town halls to hear if AV says anymore about CCWs, esp GC. Make it productive: just play it loud in the background while you make dinner or do exercises/stretching and your brain will catch it if he mentions CCWs or concealed carry permits. I've got enough on my plate now, so I won't (plus I don't even live in LA Co.).

[Paul E]

[kflakes]

The LASD must be overwhelmed with applications. My application was received on 8/28 according to certified mail receipt tracking. My $10 filing fee check has not been cashed yet as of today.

[Paladin]

That was my mistake working from memory: give cashing the check a month.

[Big Jake]

[Trump1]

Received my rejection letter last week. I did not provide "Sufficient evidence of potential danger..." Their definition of this is "a current situation which involves a specific person (s) who has threatened an individual and who has displayed a pattern of behavior which would suggest that the threat could be carried out"

So from this it appears an applicant would have needed to file a police report about a specific individual or situation or have applied for or received a restraining order against someone. Oh well, gave it a try.

In a nut shell my good cause involved carrying large amounts of cash and firearms throughout California and other states on a regular basis in remote areas during the night and early morning hours.

[Paladin]

What did you use as a Good Cause statement? (But not so much detail as to ID yourself)

Sorry to hear about your rejection. I expect my rejection letter soon. I received a call from a deputy. I was asked the following three questions:

1 - Why do you want a CCW?
2 - Have you been a victim of a crime?
3 - Have you received any credible threats?

I was told that my application would be reviewed in detail and I would be informed.

Per LASD: "Sufficient evidence of potential danger to life or of great bodily harm to the applicant, his or her spouse or dependent child, which cannot be adequately dealt with by existing law enforcement resources and which danger cannot be reasonably avoided by alternative measures, and which danger would be significantly mitigated by the applicant's carrying of a concealed firearm."

Well, in my opinion, from the questions I was asked, one can infer that "sufficient evidence of potential danger" means an actual record of being robbed, assaulted, or credible threats thereof. Living in a high crime area is not significantly potential unless, of course, you actually have been victimized and there's a record (police report).

It’s typical governmental bureaucratic reasoning. You can have a gun to protect yourself. However, you can’t protect yourself until you’ve been a victim. Then and only then can you protect yourself. If your alive to live another day.

In closing, I anticipate a rejection letter because I don’t have a record of victimhood. If I’m right, then no need to apply unless you’ve been victimized. If you still refuse to be a victim, then you must live by the axiom, “it’s better to be judged by 12, then to be carried by 6”. I’ll post an update when available.

[kflakes]

That was my mistake working from memory: give cashing the check a month.

Update: the check was cashed today. So it looks like your original report may be right; it takes roughly around 2 weeks from the date of receipt until the filing fee is processed.

[Paladin]

Just another brief update, this time about interview length: one that passed GC and interview was 10-15 min. Another who passed was ~30 minutes. A third was ~40 min because they discussed some “color” in his past. We’re not sure he’ll pass GMC.

So yet again, things vary, maybe for valid reasons (each applicant is unique) and/or maybe because issuing more CCWs is new to LASD.

[Paladin]

Update: the check was cashed today. So it looks like your original report may be right; it takes roughly around 2 weeks from the date of receipt until the filing fee is processed.

I’ll leave it at a month: better to have people happy because it took less than a month vs having anxious CGNers PMing me because it’s taking longer than 2 weeks.

[Paladin]

Another brief update re interview: some get denied without getting an interview, others get denied after being interviewed.

Just got PM of another interview, this one ~20 min long.

[Paladin]

Interview tips: as I wrote in my CoCoCo advice thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1482924), they don’t want to arm “drama queens.” If you’ve been in bar or other fights, domestic violence incidents, road rage, workplace or neighbor conflicts, and/or civil lawsuits this may be an issue. If you’ve been the instigator (i.e., at fault), in these, it will be an issue, especially if they’re in the recent past. Seriously consider waiting a few years without incidents to show you’ve learned to control yourself, rather than risk a GMC denial on your record that will haunt you with future applications.

Related: I keep saying a denial for insufficient GC will not hurt you in the future. One applicant had that and the interviewer asked about it, so he explained that county was restrictive issuance back then, and the interviewer just moved forward as if it were nothing.

Also remember you’re requesting a gun permit, so keep the underlying focus of your GC statement and your GC replies during the interview on your reasonable fear for your life and safety.

[marcusrn]

If any of you are denied it is always prudent to appeal. If you are denied it is an abrogation of your rights. Don't ever just role over. Go in there and charm them or cuss them out. I was denied 3-4 times out of 7 in SD county and appealed and was granted CCW 2 X after appeal. It's OK to call a cop or clerk an A hole if it helps you. And it might. The more you prolong the process, things change, you're still in the game. I played the appeal game for almost 11 months at the end of which I received LTC in 2005. The picture below is Sheriff Kolander awarding me the flat badge of Honorary Sheriff's Deputy in 2005. There should be a thousand applications in LA right now. Because you're white, because you're black, because you're Mexican, because you're a woman, and because you're old and asian. Demand it, why are things different in Orange, SD, and the other 50 counties that follow BORs?Don't ever walk away without appealing. When appealing it's common that you see someone higher on the food chain, often a sworn LEO.

[König]

in CA and LA County specifically, you're allowed to list up to 3 guns.

I've always wondered about this. Do you have to identify all three up front? Or can you add or change the three at any time provided you submit something to someone?

[CCWFacts]

I've always wondered about this. Do you have to identify all three up front? Or can you add or change the three at any time provided you submit something to someone?

There's a change request form. It's no big deal to add or change later.