Los Angeles

[edgerly779]

never from la county sheriffs find small town.

[Paladin]

can anyone send me a link for all the requirements for getting a ccw in los angekes area

The links are on the top right column: http://lasd.org/ccw_info.html

never in la county

Sheriff AV is issuing, but we don't know yet the "weakest" GC that will pass muster. We know of 1 CCW being issued and their GC, but it would pass even in a dark red county. We've heard other CGNers are applying, including one who says his GC would pass in a yellow county, so in the months ahead, as their apps get processed and they make posts and/or PM me, we should have a better idea of AV's GC standard. IMO, the odds are it will be light red. It costs only $10 to apply and get a GC decision. No applying guarantees you don't get a CCW.

So far, Alex889, you haven't given us a clue as to what your GC is like. Tell us (but without so much detail as to ID yourself).

A 10+ year CGN member told me someone they know has been issued a CCW by LA Co's new sheriff, Alex Villanueva. The CGNer claims to have seen it themselves. They say the new CCWer has a GC that would pass a "strict" (dark red) GC standard. That's all I can post about this applicant/CCWer.

Hopefully, as more CGNers apply and get issued or denied we'll get a better idea of whether people with "light red" or even "yellow" Good Causes will be approved, and more details about AV's CCW process. (If you don't want to post about yourself, just PM me and I'll work up a post with your information and post it after your approval. All correspondence kept in strict confidence.)

No, we have not "won" LA Co. yet (it is not light green AFAIK). But the hope is (1) AV is keeping his campaign promise to issue more CCWs and (2) as time goes by he'll slowly liberalize issuance further.

But for now, it is time to celebrate! LASD Sheriff Villenueva is issuing CCWs!

[ACfixer]

It's encouraging seeing LA light red on your map Paladin, better that than the other way around fir sure... But unless we start hearing from ordinary citizens that have obtained a CCW, nothing has changed. AV's interview certainly did nothing to make me feel the local plumber or real estate person etc. that feels they need to carry for self preservation stands any better chance today than they did this time last year.

I hope I am wrong.

[Paladin]

But unless we start hearing from ordinary citizens that have obtained a CCW, nothing has changed.

I heard about an "ordinary citizen" who got one. Things have changed.

What was extraordinary about them was their GC, not their title, their political connections, position, or donations or anything else. Best not to mix up the two when talking about CCWs. That's a common source of confusion. Focus on the GC requirement and the applicant's GC, whether they're "average" or "ordinary" or any other ambiguous terms.

(1) AV's interview certainly did nothing to make me feel the local plumber or (2) real estate person etc. that feels they need to carry for self preservation stands any better chance today than they did this time last year.

Re: (1) Best to listen to the part of the interview re. GC and CCWs again, but this time ignore everything the misguided 2nd A advocate says -- his heart is in the right place, but he's confused and will confuse you too if you let him. Just pay attention to AV re. GC.

The moderator starts off by giving AV an underhanded pitch to knock out of the park justifying being restrictive in issuing CCWs. AV could have easily followed her lead, but he didn't. Instead he said the opposite: he's lowered the GC bar and issuing more CCWs than McDonnell. That speaks volumes, esp when he says it on camera (vs claiming 1-on-1 "I'm pro CCW").

Re: (2) I don't know how you can think a RE agent doesn't have a better chance with AV than with McDonnell. In post #5 above, going by the quote of myself re. the video, a female RE agent who shows residential RE to strangers alone could very well qualify under points #1 & 2. If she's been victimized on the job as well (point #3) and it was reported to the police, I feel pretty much certain that AV will issue her a CCW because that would pass "dark red." If she hadn't been victimized, but has been made to feel fearful (reported to police or employer/broker), she MAY get issued since that would be "light red" level GC. If she hasn't felt fearful (yet), but feels a need to carry since she's regularly so vulnerable, she could get issued if AV has in fact taken LA Co to "yellow." But we'll never know until people apply and get their GCs either denied or approved (for only $10) and let us know. That's why the map uses multiple colors vs B&W to indicated the GC a particular sheriff requires. IOW, we need female RE agents who've been attacked, who've only been frightened and who only feel vulnerable to ALL apply and let us know how it goes so that we can ensure the map reflect reality. We do NOT want people to apply who have no chance, but we do NOT want people to not apply who have a solid chance.

We now know AV issues for dark red GC. Great, that's better than McDonnell. We now want to know if AV issues for light red or yellow GC. We can only determine that if people with that level of GC (that they can prove exist), apply and let us know if they get approved or not (again, that costs only $10). How many female residential RE agents are in LA Co? I'd guess thousands. Dittos with property managers who collect cash rents. Add in all the convenience store owners, gas station owners, fast food restaurant owners, Mom & Pop grocery store owners, restaurant owners, bar owners, small shop owners who make regular cash deposits -- that's more thousands, maybe tens of thousands of more people who could qualify. If AV will issue to the managers as well as owners, that may almost double the number. ALL of those categories have a sold chance (IOW, such a good chance they should try applying, esp for only $10), of getting issued if AV has taken LA Co to light red, and would definitely get issued if AV has taken LA Co to yellow. What LA Co CGNers should do is figure out how to reach out to those categories of people to inform them about CCWs and encourage them to apply.

CGNers who say no one can get issued or saying nothing's changed with AV until LA Co goes dark green (SD/PP = GC) are not helping our cause, they're hurting it by discouraging all applicants, as well as lying....

[M1NM]

To get a permit in LA City or County you will have to be very famous and or big time political donor.

[Paladin]

To get a permit in LA City or County you will have to be very famous and or big time political donor.

[38Special]

I don't know about different cities within LA county, but a co-worker of mine obtains his through his local PD. Maybe try that route?

Where does your co-worker live? That can make a world of difference.

[shungokusatsu]

Not directly related but could potentially shift his attitude?

https://mobile.twitter.com/lacosheriff/status/1158068156490891265

It’s time to end the manufacture and sale of semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines, period.

Regardless, pretty ridiculous.

[kflakes]

Not directly related but could potentially shift his attitude?

https://mobile.twitter.com/lacosheriff/status/1158068156490891265

Regardless, pretty ridiculous.

[Peter W Bush]

See my post #961 above. Looks like you could qualify under #1 and 3 of the 4 reasons AV would issue a CCW. You should have a solid chance with LASD under AV, from what he says. I'd give it a go. Be sure to review my CoCoCo CCW Advice thread stickied at top of this forum. PM me if you need/want to -- all kept in strict confidence. Be sure to let us know after you get issued/denied.

PM sent

[Paul E]

As expected, I recieved my denial for a ccw permit from LA County today. I applied following AV's statements indicating he'd be willing to issue to those with certain situations.

My good cause was essentially (paraphrasing):
I work in a dangerous area surrounded by very valuable equipment worth millions, in the middle of the night by myself, in a high crime area with a documented history of service requests from the police. I also live in a rural area where response times may be delayed.

Denial stated:

Dear Mr. Economou

We have recieved and reviewed your application for a concealed weapon license. The circumstances, as outlined in the application, do not satisfy the requirements for the existence of good cause and we must, pursuant to our policy, deny your request.

Our stated policy as to what constitutes good cause for the issuance of a permit is stated below for your information:

".....specifically state under the section entitled "Qualifications for a CCW license" those circumstances which present convincing evidence of a clear and present danger to life, or great bodily harm to the applicant, his/her spouse or dependent child, which cannot be adequately dealt with by existing law enforcement resources and which danger cannot be reasonably avoided by alternative measures, and which danger would be significantly mitigated by applicant's carrying of a concealed firearm."

"Convincing evidence of a clear and present danger..." refers to a current situation which involves a specific person(s) who has threatened an individual and who has displayed a pattern of behavior which would suggest that the threat(s) could be carried out. Situations which would suggest only a potential danger to ones safety (e.g. carrying large amounts of money to the bank, profession/job, working late hours in a high crime rate area, etc do not satisfy the criteria for issuance of a concealed weapons license."

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[9Cal_OC]

Wow, thanks for posting.

Guess he’s not issuing even for carrying high valuable items in high crime areas.

[Paladin]

Our stated policy as to what constitutes good cause for the issuance of a permit is stated below for your information:

".....specifically state under the section entitled "Qualifications for a CCW license" those circumstances which present convincing evidence of a clear and present danger to life, or great bodily harm to the applicant, his/her spouse or dependent child, which cannot be adequately dealt with by existing law enforcement resources and which danger cannot be reasonably avoided by alternative measures, and which danger would be significantly mitigated by applicant's carrying of a concealed firearm."

"Convincing evidence of a clear and present danger..." refers to a current situation which involves a specific person(s) who has threatened an individual and who has displayed a pattern of behavior which would suggest that the threat(s) could be carried out. Situations which would suggest only a potential danger to ones safety (e.g. carrying large amounts of money to the bank, profession/job, working late hours in a high crime rate area, etc do not satisfy the criteria for issuance of a concealed weapons license."

Sounds "dark red" to me.

Another CGNer PMed me with about their recent denial and they felt dark red is the correct color.

With the "Bearing Arms" cases before SCOTUS (NYSRPA, Rogers, Gould, Cheeseman), we don't want to waste time with updates when SCOTUS may force nationwide change in our favor (we hope), especially since we say on the map it may be off by 1 color either direction.

[kflakes]

As expected, I recieved my denial for a ccw permit from LA County today. I applied following AV's statements indicating he'd be willing to issue to those with certain situations.



My good cause was essentially (paraphrasing):

I work in a dangerous area surrounded by very valuable equipment worth millions, in the middle of the night by myself, in a high crime area with a documented history of service requests from the police. I also live in a rural area where response times may be delayed.



Denial stated:



Dear Mr. Economou



We have recieved and reviewed your application for a concealed weapon license. The circumstances, as outlined in the application, do not satisfy the requirements for the existence of good cause and we must, pursuant to our policy, deny your request.



Our stated policy as to what constitutes good cause for the issuance of a permit is stated below for your information:



".....specifically state under the section entitled "Qualifications for a CCW license" those circumstances which present convincing evidence of a clear and present danger to life, or great bodily harm to the applicant, his/her spouse or dependent child, which cannot be adequately dealt with by existing law enforcement resources and which danger cannot be reasonably avoided by alternative measures, and which danger would be significantly mitigated by applicant's carrying of a concealed firearm."



"Convincing evidence of a clear and present danger..." refers to a current situation which involves a specific person(s) who has threatened an individual and who has displayed a pattern of behavior which would suggest that the threat(s) could be carried out. Situations which would suggest only a potential danger to ones safety (e.g. carrying large amounts of money to the bank, profession/job, working late hours in a high crime rate area, etc do not satisfy the criteria for issuance of a concealed weapons license."



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Wow. Really sorry to hear this. That is incredible.

Well, it looks like AV has proven himself to be the Sheriff we expected all along and is no different than McDonnell. While I am not surprised by these outcomes, it is still disappointing and discouraging.

[kflakes]

It seems that AV continues drawing controversies and negative lights upon himself. There was this news earlier in the day:


Fired Deputy Who Was Rehired by Sheriff Villanueva is Ordered to Give Up His Badge and Gun https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...tml?akmobile=o

I think it is unlikely that he will start issuing CCWs any time soon, otherwise he will draw even more criticisms and controversies.

We traded a bad Sheriff for a worse Sheriff in LA County.