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  • MajorCaliber
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2014
    • 1018

    Originally posted by Fizz
    As much as that would be a credible source, she doesn't appear to have publicized it in any matter I'm aware of. Consequently, I'm not inclined to take it on faith that she's pro-2a. It's too far down the hearsay grapevine.

    At least Myers made it a very forward campaign point. Currently, Martinez's only 2A comment has to do with gun seizure from prohibited persons and 'protecting communities.' While likely Sheriff's have a duty to remove firearms from unlawful possessors, much of the way you can have your right to bear removed is for what should be unlawful reasons (non violent felonies, etc.) - So I'm wary of those that use gun confiscation, however legally justified, as a campaign point.

    Martinez has also publicly condemned 'ghost guns' and similar. Does this mean she's pro registration of all firearms? Does she want to criminalize non-serialized guns (even though it's not Sheriff's realm of power?).

    Part of her campaign website mentions "Common sense Gun safety measures" - The only time you hear of "Common Sense" used in 2A context is that it's common sense to ban "Assault weapons" - It's "Common sense" to ban 11+ round magazines - It's "Common sense" to have 10 day cooldown period for gun purchases, including those that already have them - it's "Common Sense" to have "Gun Free Safe Zones" etc. The leftists call it "Common sense" so you can be called out for speaking against "Common sense" that they offer. As if there are incontrovertible facts that pertain to Gun Safety that naturally segue into law Res ipsa loquitur to quash any discussion on the matter as solved and unwarranting of opinion.

    If her campaign is willing to lean on the verbiage of the antis - I'm leaning towards her only being 2A for votes, rather than a bona fide exuberance for the 2nd.

    I agree with all of the above. I join in your suspicion of anyone using the term "Common sense Gun safety measures". I HOPE, without any evidence so far, that in this case it's just a shibboleth designed to gain support from the left, sort of the left's equivalent of motherhood and apple pie.
    I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

    The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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    • ezaircon4jc
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2014
      • 604

      Trying to clarify now. I may have to withdraw my support...

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      • MajorCaliber
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2014
        • 1018

        Originally posted by ezaircon4jc
        Trying to clarify now. I may have to withdraw my support...
        Let us know what you find out. I notice SDCGO has not produced it's voter guide yet.
        I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

        The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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        • CessnaDriver
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2009
          • 10496

          Originally posted by MajorCaliber
          Let us know what you find out. I notice SDCGO has not produced it's voter guide yet.
          SDCGO will be on this election like white on rice, and definitely any candidate should know this isn't 10 years ago anymore. Things have changed about CCW and getting an endorsement because of that is no trivial matter.


          "Yeah, like... well, I just want to slap a hippie or two. Maybe even make them get jobs."

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          • MajorCaliber
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2014
            • 1018

            Originally posted by CessnaDriver
            SDCGO will be on this election like white on rice, and definitely any candidate should know this isn't 10 years ago anymore. Things have changed about CCW and getting an endorsement because of that is no trivial matter.
            Hopefully, by election day, we will have a decision from SCOTUS making all good cause standards and good moral character requirements void. Even then, however, there will be a big difference between a Sheriff that wants to issue and one who wants to obstruct.
            I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

            The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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            • ezaircon4jc
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2014
              • 604

              Originally posted by MajorCaliber
              Let us know what you find out. I notice SDCGO has not produced it's voter guide yet.
              My sister will be in touch with her son for clarification. She's supposed to let me know.

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              • CessnaDriver
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2009
                • 10496

                Originally posted by MajorCaliber
                Hopefully, by election day, we will have a decision from SCOTUS making all good cause standards and good moral character requirements void. Even then, however, there will be a big difference between a Sheriff that wants to issue and one who wants to obstruct.
                Agreed.
                Let's hope by then possibly 7000 or more CCW issued with zero negative events associated and a SCOTUS win will help make any potential will to obstruct weak. These are political animals running for office afterall, there may be little to no traction to be had being anti CCW when the hot issues are probably going to be other issues. Of course anyone can say one thing, and then do another later when nobody cares but us.


                "Yeah, like... well, I just want to slap a hippie or two. Maybe even make them get jobs."

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                • BucDan
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 4060

                  Some deputies I've spoken to do not like Myers. They said Gore was above and beyond what Myers is, and would ever be. They said Myers has a hard on for control.

                  Martinez to them, is a political rat. Switched parties to Democrat before running. This is gonna suck. Supported by Gore himself, Todd Gloria, and Nathsn Fletcher. Bleh.

                  We need a better 3rd candidate.
                  Last edited by BucDan; 11-13-2021, 10:46 PM.

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                  • LoadedM333
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 1691

                    Originally posted by BucDan
                    Some deputies I've spoken to do not like Myers.

                    Martinez to them, is a political rat. Switched parties to Democrat before running. This is gonna suck. Supported by Gore himself, Todd Gloria, and Nathsn Fletcher. Bleh.

                    We need a better 3rd candidate.
                    Meyers would be the lesser of two evils; political rat is always bad for us in my opinion.

                    We do need a third candidate.
                    NRA LifeTime Member

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                    • trustno12373
                      Member
                      • Aug 2020
                      • 117

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                      • CessnaDriver
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 10496

                        Originally posted by trustno12373
                        Wow this is mind boggling and I sure hope we do NOT loose the privilege of concealed carry! Gore has been great with issuing and it’s hard to determine if this new sheriff, whoever it is going to be is going to continue issue moving forward.


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                        Well, just to be clear, it's not a privilege, it's a right. And we must keep that up front always to protect it. I would think by now with many thousands issued without negative incident, and hopefully stays that way, it will be difficult to reverse direction. Of course if there is one CCW person that fouls up bad, there is the political traction point for someone to say, that's it revoke them all. So I do think a great deal of this continuing to be successful, is on each of us every single time we carry. And one day I hope for constitutional carry to be the law of the land and we can look at all this in the rear view mirror.


                        "Yeah, like... well, I just want to slap a hippie or two. Maybe even make them get jobs."

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                        • MajorCaliber
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2014
                          • 1018

                          I would say Gore has not been "great". Gore 2018-2021 has been better than Gore 2009-2018 and all the ones before him. "Great" would be accepting self defense as good cause, which is perfectly within his ability, as many CA Sheriffs do.
                          I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

                          The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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                          • trustno12373
                            Member
                            • Aug 2020
                            • 117

                            Originally posted by MajorCaliber
                            I would say Gore has not been "great". Gore 2018-2021 has been better than Gore 2009-2018 and all the ones before him. "Great" would be accepting self defense as good cause, which is perfectly within his ability, as many CA Sheriffs do.

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                            • CessnaDriver
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 10496

                              Soldier on, we have been doing something right especially given the state we live in.


                              "Yeah, like... well, I just want to slap a hippie or two. Maybe even make them get jobs."

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                              • L84CABO
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 8528

                                While it would be awesome to have a really solid candidate, I have zero expectation of that in this town. But as others have pointed out, the overall impact the sheriff has on our daily lives is pretty minimal. They have zero legislative power and there isn't a lot of actual impact they can have beyond their stance on issuing CCW permits.

                                Would I like to have a sheriff that isn't against ghost guns or assault weapons? Absolutely I would. But the sheriff doesn't write the laws that govern those things. And there is little to no impact on me if the sheriff happens to be a control freak...although I absolutely feel for the deputies that have to work under that and I hope for their sakes that the sheriff is a good dude...or dudette.

                                I very much want to hear who SDCGO is going to back...assuming they back anyone. But I'm pretty much going to be a single issue voter when it comes to the sheriff...Where do they stand on CCW permits?

                                Or if I'm overlooking some other important area that they can greatly impact, please let me know. But I'm pretty sure this election is going to come down to the lesser of the evils. Like it usually does.
                                "Kestryll I wanna lick your doughnut."

                                Fighter Pilot

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