San Diego CCW

[Paladin]

Mine showed up Friday. Follow on appt set for next week to pick up the permit.

Congrats!!!


Can you post what your GC was like, but without so much detail that it would ID you?

Do you know Gore, either personally or professionally?

Have you ever donated to a Gore campaign?

[Paladin]

Denial came, insufficient good cause. "We encourage you to explore other means of protection."

Well, that sucks. But no body ever said Gore was accepting SD = GC.

Can you post what your GC was like, but without so much detail that it would ID you?

[Kraken]

I had my final issuance appointment this morning. I am now a card carrying member of the hidden pistol club.

The card they gave me is a ****ty, laminated 3" x 4" piece of paper. It fits in bi-fold wallet, but to my dismay, will not fit in a money clip/card holder/etc.

The gentlemen who handled my issuance appointment was very friendly and forthcoming with all of the questions that I asked.

I asked him if he has seen people get rejected recently, and he said yes, which is contrary to what San Diego Gun Owners claims. We discussed people getting rejection letters for having drug/DUI/violent crime convictions (seriously...), and a few for lack of good cause. Some people used "I like to go on hikes in the woods" as their good cause, and that doesn't fly with the CCW panel folks. He confirmed that the vast majority of applicants are getting approval letters.

We also discussed the renewal process. He said that its as simple as a single appointment, two years from now. The good cause is determined by the clerk at the appointment, and as long as nothing major has changed from the last issuance, they go ahead and extend your permit that day (as long as you have had the 4 hour training).


Edit: One more thing, the guy had 14 files sitting on his desk for people who would be getting their CCW's today. All of the other clerks had the same work load, so A LOT of people are getting permits right now.

[CessnaDriver]

I had my final issuance appointment this morning. I am now a card carrying member of the hidden pistol club.

The card they gave me is a ****ty, laminated 3" x 4" piece of paper. It fits in bi-fold wallet, but to my dismay, will not fit in a money clip/card holder/etc.

The gentlemen who handled my issuance appointment was very friendly and forthcoming with all of the questions that I asked.

I asked him if he has seen people get rejected recently, and he said yes, which is contrary to what San Diego Gun Owners claims. We discussed people getting rejection letters for having drug/DUI/violent crime convictions (seriously...), and a few for lack of good cause. Some people used "I like to go on hikes in the woods" as their good cause, and that doesn't fly with the CCW panel folks. He confirmed that the vast majority of applicants are getting approval letters.

We also discussed the renewal process. He said that its as simple as a single appointment, two years from now. The good cause is determined by the clerk at the appointment, and as long as nothing major has changed from the last issuance, they go ahead and extend your permit that day (as long as you have had the 4 hour training).


Edit: One more thing, the guy had 14 files sitting on his desk for people who would be getting their CCW's today. All of the other clerks had the same work load, so A LOT of people are getting permits right now.

Thanks for the report. Hopefully they are working at speeding things up.
Renewal process sounds very good. Hope I get the chance to have that concern. Still waiting the long wait now.

[CessnaDriver]

Denial came, insufficient good cause. "We encourage you to explore other means of protection."

I would talk to SDCGO for advice on appealing.
Can't hurt to explore any possible path forward.

[CessnaDriver]

Oh by the way, the permit is laminated already then, is it thin enough one can at least fold it?

[Paladin]

I had my final issuance appointment this morning. I am now a card carrying member of the hidden pistol club.

Congrats!!!

I asked him if he has seen people get rejected recently, and he said yes, which is contrary to what San Diego Gun Owners claims.

AFAIK, as of about a month or so ago, SDCGO has said there were none given final denials (i.e., after appealing). There were, IIRC, at that time 2 or 3 being appealed. That may have changed since then.

We discussed people getting rejection letters for having drug/DUI/violent crime convictions (seriously...), and a few for lack of good cause. Some people used "I like to go on hikes in the woods" as their good cause, and that doesn't fly with the CCW panel folks. He confirmed that the vast majority of applicants are getting approval letters.

And that's what enables evildoers to succeed, like the Zodiac Killer did at Lake Berryessa in rural Napa Co.... IMO, the Napa Co sheriff who disarmed this couple was as culpable for their murders as was the Zodiac who tied their wrists together.



The current Napa Co sheriff, John R. Robertson, still does not issue CCWs for SD = GC. He's an "enabler" for murderers, just like every other anti CCW sheriff and chief in CA.

Napa County Sheriff John R. Robertson


But at least Gore is issuing a LOT more CCWs. If history is a guide, San Diego County will not go back to restrictive issuance and will slowly increase their rates of issuance, as will whoever comes after Gore.

We also discussed the renewal process. He said that its as simple as a single appointment, two years from now. The good cause is determined by the clerk at the appointment, and as long as nothing major has changed from the last issuance, they go ahead and extend your permit that day (as long as you have had the 4 hour training).

Edit: One more thing, the guy had 14 files sitting on his desk for people who would be getting their CCW's today. All of the other clerks had the same work load, so A LOT of people are getting permits right now.

Yep, this is 90+ days after SDCGO started having their CCW application classes.

If you happen to communicate with him again, can you ask if/when they will be switching to an online application process?

[rice_man]

It said "1492" as of yesterday! A 5% increase -- 70 CCWs -- in 1 month!
https://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.html

If this keeps up (70 every 4 weeks at the low end, 5% increase every 4 weeks at the high end), that means we'll be at 1,562 to 1,567 ~June 25th. SDSO should break 2,000 by the end of the year.

To put all this in context, OC, which is has almost the same population size and very similar demographics, expects to break 20,000 CCWers in 2019. But Hutchens has been readily issuing CCWs for several years. Hopefully, SDSO will switch to online applications, esp for renewals which can be handled all online, to increase the rate of processing initial apps.

IMO, just as important is we haven't heard of more people being discouraged from applying/continuing their application, or being denied because of insufficient GC.

Well then - it looks like they need to update the counter. Almost two months later and it still sits at 1492.

Congrats to those here who have been successful.

Good luck to those in process or in appeal.

[Paladin]

Well then - it looks like they need to update the counter. Almost two months later and it still sits at 1492.

Yeah, I've noticed that. I try to check it at least once per week. Hopefully, it's just because they're too busy approving apps.

My GUESS is SDSO will be ~2,000 CCWers by the end of this year and ~3,000 (50% increase) by the end of 2019. After that it will depend upon when they'll switch to online application process and scale up the CCW unit (i.e., larger office space, more staff, etc).

While those numbers are small compared to the county population, remember when Hutchens started liberalizing OC issuance again, they were down to around only 300 or 400 CCWers. As I posted above, they expect to break 20,000 in 2019.

[SDRider858]

Sorry if this is a silly question, but is it too late to apply??

[CessnaDriver]

Sorry if this is a silly question, but is it too late to apply??

No such thing as too late.
But work on your good cause first.......

https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/ccw/

[CessnaDriver]

Also upcoming seminar on the whole process....

https://rangegenius.com/businesses/poway-weapons-gear/training/seminar

[LoadedM333]

Permit

Oh by the way, the permit is laminated already then, is it thin enough one can at least fold it?

Just picked up my permit today.

In my case, the permit is printed by the clerk, you signed it and right thumb printed.
The clerk then took it to the back, folded in half then laminated.

Mine is still small enough for my bi-fold wallet.

[SDG19]

Just picked up my permit today.

In my case, the permit is printed by the clerk, you signed it and right thumb printed.
The clerk then took it to the back, folded in half then laminated.

Mine is still small enough for my bi-fold wallet.

Congrats!! Who do ya have in mind for the course?

Interesting how they do it differently with the laminating/folding. I think it was Veronica who laminated the big ol' thing without folding. Was kinda hoping to keep mine in slim front pocket wallet.

[LoadedM333]

San Diego CCW

Congrats!! Who do ya have in mind for the course?



Interesting how they do it differently with the laminating/folding. I think it was Veronica who laminated the big ol' thing without folding. Was kinda hoping to keep mine in slim front pocket wallet.

Thank you. Are you asking about the 8hrs training course? If so, I went with Bill Desy since my available timing kind of sucks.
I enjoyed the qualification, Bill had different scenarios for the 3 guns I qualified for the permit.

My clerk was Cynthia, she did a great job on laminating/folding the permit.


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