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**Kraken** · 07-27-2018, 4:50 PM

Originally posted by LoadedM333

Thank you. Are you asking about the 8hrs training course? If so, I went with Bill Desy since my available timing kind of sucks.
I enjoyed the qualification, Bill had different scenarios for the 3 guns I qualified for the permit.

My clerk was Cynthia, she did a great job on laminating/folding the permit.

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I used Bill Desy with ccwusa(.com) as well, and had a good time. I would recommend him for anybody looking to get the training.

**GG vez** · 07-30-2018, 11:48 AM

My San Diego CCW Experience

I have lurked hear forever. Figured I would save my first post for something good.

The TLDR version is this - I got my CCW in San Diego in about 5 months start to finish. No major issues, although dealing with any municipal type body is always a bit painful.

Like all of us, my application process started with an initial consult. Like a few recent posters, I also worked with Cynthia. I have never applied before but felt like the clerk had a good sense within a few moments as to if cause was justified. After a conversation, some initial document review and some assigned homework, I was out the door with feedback that sounded something like - 'If this all is supported, and your background check is clear, you should have a good shot.'

My cause is very specific, and from the initial meeting onward I made sure to produce way too much documentation, my version of killing em with kindness. Even in that first meeting, I must have showed up with a typed 2 page cause statement and 100 pages of supporting documentation...not kidding.

As an aside, while she was absolutely wonderful to work with, she did get married mid process. This caused her email to change (due to her name change). No notice was given to me, so I shouted into the dark for a while before simply making an appointment to discuss status through the main office phone number.

My second interview was only a few weeks later. In this interview I presented my case in detail, provided the needed proofs of employment and residency and started the background check.

From there, I waited. And waited. And bought holsters online that I probably could never use.

About 3 months later, I missed 3 phone calls while at lunch. They were from a SO official doing a home visit. This was not scheduled in advance and I do not work from home, but fearing this was my only chance, I cleared the day and raced home. He was kind enough to wait, although I can only imagine how many guys miss these appointments if they are just showing up whenever they want.

Home visit went like this:

SOO: Do you live here?
Me: Yea, car opens the garage and front gate.
SOO: Nice place.
Me: Thanks. So whats the process to verify?
SOO: You are verified. Have a nice day.

At day 90 I emailed my POC asking for a status update. Another clerk who I had not heard from before let me know that there were some missing documents specific to updated business licenses and residency proof that were required. While this process was underway, I moved houses which caused some confusion but ultimately just meant I had to re-proof my residency at day 92. Additionally I had to clarify some licensing requirements through work which were easy enough.

With new docs submitted the new clerk said my application had not yet gone to the panel yet, but that it should 'in a coupled of weeks' So, I put it out of mind again, only to get an approval letter in the mail 5 business days later.

Key take aways and FAQ's:

- I had three possible justifications. They told me to pick the strongest one to keep things simple.
- Yes I did donate to the re-election...max personal donation, and that was for unrelated reasons.
- The process needed to be actively managed by me. Be prepared to follow up. Find more paperwork than you think is needed.
- I did not avoid buying guns during this time, having bought 2 new AR's.

Feel free to ask me anything about the process - happy to help.

**CessnaDriver** · 07-31-2018, 1:37 PM

Congrats on the successful outcome. It's a strung out ordeal.
Do you know exactly what prompted the home visit? Was it because of the moving plans? I've not heard of home visits before. Just the usual present recent bills.

**GG vez** · 07-31-2018, 3:06 PM

I too had not heard of a home visit in SD county, while I believe it is still standard in OC and surrounding areas. I was not told of this ahead of time, and they really did a good job surprising me with it. However, the level of depth beyond me showing I had keys to the gate was non existent.

Although I can't confirm, I would imagine this had to have had something to do with moving mid process. There is that weird 30 days where all you have to show are bank papers and screen shots, prior to SDGE or the city cycling a power or water bill. While they did not ask for these secondary proofs at my new place of residence until 1 day before the app when to the panel it seems to me this may have just been a work around due to my move.

If anyone else gets a home visit please let us all know. I would be interested to see how the process is changing given the new volume of approvals etc.

**MajorCaliber** · 08-01-2018, 12:21 PM

I had a home visit earlier in the year. The investigator stopped by when I was out of town. I returned to find his business card stuck in my door with a note to call him. I did and that was all it took. The fact that I found the card at the address I gave was enough for me to be verified and there was no further visit.

**GG vez** · 08-01-2018, 3:52 PM

That is classic!

I have heard stories in other counties about not only needing to be at your residence but also having to anecdotally prove you live there (pictures of you and your wife?? Neighbors waving?). I guess we actually have it easier than some

**Paladin** · 08-08-2018, 10:22 AM

Looks like the good folk at San Diego Co Gun Owners are holding more CCW application seminars on Aug 9th, 23rd and Sept 6th.

You snooze, you lose!

Details at and tickets through: https://www.facebook.com/events/209828179683986/

San Diego County is issuing CCW permits. We want to help you get approved.

1. Recognize the new guidelines used by the SD County Sheriff's office that pertain to obtaining a CCW permit.

2. Follow the application process and the different steps to obtaining a permit.

3. Review the "Good Cause Statement" for greatest chance of being approved for CCW permit.

4. Understand the official training and qualification required to obtain permit.

5. Learn about the San Diego County Gun Owner's and their role in influencing the Sheriff to change his policy.

**MajorCaliber** · 08-08-2018, 9:44 PM

Sidewinder,

Can you update us on what has happened since your GMC denial as far as appeals, further information, etc?

**CessnaDriver** · 08-11-2018, 9:34 PM

Another home visit report from a friend of a friend this time.
It was unexpected, he happened to be home, he did get the green light later.
The closer you get to ninety days from livescan might
start to expect it.

**Skygazer** · 08-15-2018, 12:56 PM

First Interview Today

First interview with SDCS Licensing today. Veronica was my assigned clerk. Here are my take-aways:
1. She made it clear up front that there was going to be a second appointment, even though I brought all the required documentation with me. She claimed the backlog was "overwhelming" and couldn't take that much time with me today. We scheduled the second interview... for Sep 19. Another month just added to the schedule.
2. I brought 2 alternative good cause statements (security clearance/vulnerability, and amateur astronomy in remote backcountry). She appreciated seeing pictures and inventory/value of my astronomy equipment, and the map I provided of my regular observing sites. She also appreciated that I brought a pay stub from my employer who holds my security clearance. Her off-the-cuff assessment of the likelihood of getting my LTC approved is "50% chance". It looks like I'll need to roll both good cause statements into a single page... I don't know if it will increase my chances.
3. I only listed 2 firearms on the application. When I asked about adding a third, she said that could be done as part of the training after I got the approval letter. The firearms listed on proficiency certificate from mandatory training is what will be put on the LTC. For me that's good news.

**Paladin** · 08-15-2018, 7:08 PM

Originally posted by Skygazer

First interview with SDCS Licensing today. Veronica was my assigned clerk. Here are my take-aways:
1. She made it clear up front that there was going to be a second appointment, even though I brought all the required documentation with me. She claimed the backlog was "overwhelming" and couldn't take that much time with me today. We scheduled the second interview... for Sep 19. Another month just added to the schedule....

Did you ask what they're going to need to catch up? (more staff? more funding? something else?) Next time say you'll gladly contact the Board of Sups re. increased funding if that's will help them get what they need.

Also ask when they'll switch to an online application process like so many other CA sheriffs' offices. Handling most things online can save them staff time and effort.

**GuillermoAntonio** · 09-03-2018, 2:12 AM

Breaking the silence here.
Got the letter. �� 77 days from 2nd interview.
My GC was from work. I manage a business, hire/fire, make the cash deposits, etc.
The clerk said from the get go that I did not need permission or approval from the business owner to get an LTC.
I was required pay stubs as proof of employment and the bank statements with matching receipts as proof of GC.
The clerk was awesome from the beginning and honestly she seemed to be interested in helping me drafting a good GC.
I reeived a call about a week ago, something I had never found on my record showed up. They asked me to go and add it and sign it. It was a low profile conviction from 18 years ago.. I honestly tought I
Would get denied after this.
I have never met or supported Gore.
I would love to thank San Diego County Gun Owners, their checklist and training videos helped a lot.
P.s.
somehere back in this thread there was an argument about having gun training in relation to GC.
I originally had. Paragraph in my GC statement where I talked about myself as a person with training suited for an LTC.
The clerk had me remove it.

**baranski** · 09-03-2018, 7:40 AM