When does the rapture take place?

[uxo2]

Everyone gets "raptured" after you die ("judgement day").

Jesus' "2nd coming" is seeing him when you die.

Is this personal your Opinion ?

[bountyhunter]

When do you think the bible teaches the rapure takes place. Pre trib, Post trib etc? I would like to see what you think the bible teaches? What verses can you find that support your position?

Listen to Christ. In Mark 13 and matthew 24 He specifically describes the end of days. From memory, He says there will be a tribulation such as has never been before. he also says that unless the days had been shortened, no flesh would be saved. But for the elect's sake (who God chose) those days will be shortened. And after all that, Christ says only then will you see the Son of man coming in His glory.

If you define "rapture" as when Christ returns, it comes after the tribulation.

If you are buying into the "rescue rapture" false doctrine being peddled by some where the really good Christians will get whisked up to heaven by Christ to spare them from the tribulation and all the rest will be "left behind", it is a pack of lies and directly contradicted by Christ's words.

From Mark 13:

18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.

20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.

If anybody ever tells you that the bible says that Christ is coming to whisk away the righteous before the tribulation, ask them why Christ specifically stated that God's elect will go through the tribulation and that God will shorten the days to save them.

As to when Christ returns:

24 “But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
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“At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.

Christ said that after the great distress (tribulation) you will see Him coming.

Could not be any clearer, amazes me how many people don't get it and are buying into some of the lies being spread on the subject.

[bountyhunter]

I'm really at a loss to understand how some people can read the Bible, and think that some how our generation is so special that nothing will happen to it. I'm not pointing fingers here, because I have heard it from other Christian friends who feel that God will not allow anything bad to happen to us, because we are some how "special".
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It is now as it was in the time of Christ. Blind guides substitute the false doctrines of men for the word of God and lead men to destruction. This is what I call "Christianity Lite" because it has all the salvation but none of the scary parts (like the tribulation) by concocting a fairy tale about how all the good Christians will vanish and appear in heaven before any of the bad stuff.... and everybody else will be left behind.

IMHO, this false doctrine is part of the plan of the anti Christ (Satan) who will come to earth and do tricks and wonders which will make people think he is Christ and then many billions of people will happily worship him. When you have all these people "primed" to believe that Christ is going to come get them and take them to safety, it will literally be lambs to the slaughter when the AC comes as forewarned by Christ:

“When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

[bountyhunter]

My particular religion does not believe in a "pret trib rapture", but believes in a post trib rapture.
They believe however that God is going to protect them through it all, and that they don't need to do anything to protect themselves or to prepare. God is going to do it all for them. Feed them mana from Heaven, and hide them.

That may be a difference of communication. From Mark 13 (regarding the tribulation):

Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

One might choose to think it means God will not allow them to be harmed. IMHO, it means their souls will be saved regardless of the destruction of physical bodies. Those who follow the anti Christ will not be physically persecuted or harmed by his forces, but they will lose their souls.

[RickD427]

When do you think the bible teaches the rapure takes place. Pre trib, Post trib etc? I would like to see what you think the bible teaches? What verses can you find that support your position?

I think the answer was really meant to be kept a secret. Please refer to 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

[ElDiabloRobotico]

does it matter?

[bountyhunter]

does it matter?

Of course it matters. As I said, the fundamental lie being sold to people (that they will be "raptured" up to heaven before the tribulation) is the key to getting them to follow the antichrist, which is Satan's spirit pretending to be Christ.

When the tribulation begins, they will follow whomever shows up to "save" them and they will follow Satan to their destruction.

So yes, it matters, if people understand that Christ specifically said we would go through the tribulation and that those who endure it will be saved. Those who don't understand it will follow Satan when he arrives claiming to be Christ.

[bountyhunter]

I think the answer was really meant to be kept a secret. Please refer to 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

Christ specifically said that the exact day of the end times is not known to anyone but God:

32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

but Christ knew the events that would happen because He said them in Mark 13 and Matthew 24. And Christ specifically said His followers would be persecuted at that time.

You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them.

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Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

could not be any clearer. The fools who think they are going to be whisked away to save them from the tribulation are lost.

[Just Dave]

Rapture, pretrib, post trib are not distructive heresies (if they even are heresies). Which ever form of eschatology someone signs doesn't mean they are lost, they're plenty of people who are saved who don't agree with each other regarding end times.

[illuminate10]

Is this personal your Opinion ?

It is my understanding.

[bountyhunter]

Rapture, pretrib, post trib are not distructive heresies (if they even are heresies). Which ever form of eschatology someone signs doesn't mean they are lost, they're plenty of people who are saved who don't agree with each other regarding end times.

I disagree, they may disagree on details but they better not ignore Christ's wrning not to be fooled by those who will show up claiming to be Christ:

5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.///

if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard

Anyone who follows Satan in his form the antichrist because they believe Christ is coming to "save them from the tribulation" is probably lost. As to what "saved" people believe or don't believe..... they should believe this: having a ceremony and calling yourself saved won't save you if you choose to follow Satan and ignore the warnings Christ gave to us in Mark 13. There will be billions who fall for Satan's deceit. He will stand in Jerusalem and declare himself Christ doing great wonders and billions will believe him simply because they don't understand simple words straight from Christ.

If you think the first supernatural being who is going to show up and "save" you is Christ..... you are probably lost. Because when the real Christ shows up and we are all changed into spirit bodies, those who followed Satan will have no way to hide from what they did.


See how simple this is:

“But in those days, following that distress (tribulation),

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[c]

26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

Quoting Christ: FOLLOWING the tribulation you will see Christ coming to gather God's elect ....... the ones which followed Satan "off to heaven" to get away from the tribulation will not even be here anymore.

[Just Dave]

I disagree, they may disagree on details but they better not ignore Christ's wrning not to be fooled by those who will show up claiming to be Christ:



Anyone who follows Satan in his form the antichrist because they believe Christ is coming to "save them from the tribulation" is probably lost. As to what "saved" people believe or don't believe..... they should believe this: having a ceremony and calling yourself saved won't save you if you choose to follow Satan and ignore the warnings Christ gave to us in Mark 13. There will be billions who fall for Satan's deceit. He will stand in Jerusalem and declare himself Christ doing great wonders and billions will believe him simply because they don't understand simple words straight from Christ.

If you think the first supernatural being who is going to show up and "save" you is Christ..... you are probably lost. Because when the real Christ shows up and we are all changed into spirit bodies, those who followed Satan will have no way to hide from what they did.


See how simple this is:



Quoting Christ: FOLLOWING the tribulation you will see Christ coming to gather God's elect ....... the ones which followed Satan "off to heaven" to get away from the tribulation will not even be here anymore.

Following a false Christ is completely/radically different than having a different view of eschatology.

A Christ rejecting world will follow a false savior, this happens all the time. When someone rejects the real Christ they've automatically have set themselves up for a false one, they look for someone who's going to make things right and make things better, they don't look towards God they look towards man.

When someone is waiting on Christ to do something at a certain time doesn't mean that they following Satan, it just means that they aren't sure of when Christ is going to fulfill this promise.
The gathering of the saints is a perfect example of this.


BTW I could tear apart the errant teaching that the harpazo takes place during/after the trib.

[Sailormilan2]

That may be a difference of communication. From Mark 13 (regarding the tribulation):



One might choose to think it means God will not allow them to be harmed. IMHO, it means their souls will be saved regardless of the destruction of physical bodies. Those who follow the anti Christ will not be physically persecuted or harmed by his forces, but they will lose their souls.

Bounty Hunter, I agree with what you are saying, as well as other posts that say that when the "Rapture" occurs is not a "fatal" or false doctrine(in the Spiritual sense).
What concerns me, is that those who do nothing to physically prepare, thinking God will save them(or they won't be here), may end up beating on your door asking for help. Giving the guilt trip of, "Brother So and So, my family has no food, and I know you have food. Since you are a Christian, you must help us".
I am reminded of what is said in Ez.33:3-7.
I have always been taught, that our worst enemies will be those of our own religions. I tend to agree, since they know our weaknesses and can use our guilts against us. While I realise that as Christians, we are supposed to help and care for our "brothers", I think that our primary duty is to our families, not someone who chose not to do something.

[Just Dave]

Bounty Hunter, I agree with what you are saying, as well as other posts that say that when the "Rapture" occurs is not a "fatal" or false doctrine(in the Spiritual sense).
What concerns me, is that those who do nothing to physically prepare, thinking God will save them(or they won't be here), may end up beating on your door asking for help. Giving the guilt trip of, "Brother So and So, my family has no food, and I know you have food. Since you are a Christian, you must help us".
I am reminded of what is said in Ez.33:3-7.
I have always been taught, that our worst enemies will be those of our own religions. I tend to agree, since they know our weaknesses and can use our guilts against us. While I realise that as Christians, we are supposed to help and care for our "brothers", I think that our primary duty is to our families, not someone who chose not to do something.

What's interesting about being "prepared" for the tribulation is that no one can possibly be adequately prepared for it.
We can prepare for earthquakes, invading armies and things of that nature but nobody can possibly be properly prepared for God pouring out His divine wrath on a Christ rejecting world.

Thank God that He doesn't appoint His children to His wrath.

[Sailormilan2]

There are things one can prepare for, and things one cannot prepare for. There may come a time for us to flee to the hills(as said in Matt.24), and for that there is not much we can do. But, there also may be a difficult time before that, that might might be easier to get through with some thought and preparation.
Look at Noah. 120 years building a boat, and preparing. Nothing Noah could have done would gotten him and his through Flood, but he was still expected to do some physical preps while he could.