Pima Co DA clears PCSD Entry Team

[fullrearview]

1) I have a right to bear arms.

Yes.. Yes you do.

2) There is no evidence that Jose pointed a weapon at the officers.

Is that fact or your opinion based off the information currently know to us?

2a) even if he did, what role did the decision to send in a SWAT team in this manner play?

Did you read the warrant? Explains quite a bit if you ask me.

3) that you call him a POS tells me a lot about you.

It's his opinion, just as it's yours to say we are all bad examples of LEO's.

4) and this is most important...how are your comments making eiher me or you safer? Have you not considered the effect your behavior on these boards might have on future citizen / LEO encounters? It's probably not wise to claim the title LEO yet sit behind anonymity and insult private citizens.

You know, I learned a funny thing when I was growing up... When you point your finger at someone, you have three pointing back at you. While many of the LEO's here play devils advocate, speculate until more information comes along, then make an opinion based on the facts known at that time, we HAVE changed their minds on certain topics and issues... Can you say the same?

In bold.

About a month ago, I was getting gas at an AMPM, and was waiting for about 15 minutes... The car I waited for moved, and some crazy lady pulled in real quick, called me an Adam Henry and refused to move. She stated I had just pulled in and she was waiting for several minutes. She wouldn't budge and was making a huge scene. I very politely told her the pump was hers, to have a nice day, backed up and waited...

The whole time she was starring at me mouthing Adam Henry in my direction... When she finishes, she pulls up next to me and continues to tell me just how wrong I was... when I hit her with the facts (such as I didn't pull into the gas station from the highway as she claimed and I was getting lunch at the adjacent dinner), she blew up again making a huge scene. I again told her to have a nice day, then pulled forward to pump my gas... She continued to yell and scream at me calling me every name in the book for about another minute.

For some reason, you remind of that lady. No matter what any LEO on here says or does, you will find a reason to tell us just how wrong we are.

[Samuelx]

No matter what any LEO on here says or does, you will find a reason to tell us just how wrong we are.

That just about sums up him, a bunch of other people on here, and even more in society in general.

To not be part of the solution, reap the benefits of the efforts of those who are part of the solution, and then talk crap about or refuse to cooperate with those who are fighting and sacrificing to maintain a peaceful, civilized society - CHUTZPAH!

[Jonathan Doe]

LEO's do have the right to defend themselves while in the performance of their duties from anyone who assaults them with a firearm. So sometimes they do have the right to use deadly force.

The only reason he was shot was because he pointed a rifle at the officers while they were serving a legally issued search warrant.

No matter how well you try to explain, people who determined not to listen will not understand. You should be tired of it by now. I commend you for trying hard to explain time after time. Sometimes, it is not worth your time. Some people make up their mind already and put a blind on.

[jamesob]

the marine only wanted to support his family the best he could. in the end he did his job because the wrongful death suit will bring millions.

[1911su16b870]

Wrongful death? IMO it is not going to happen in this case.

[Samuelx]

the marine only wanted to support his family the best he could.

So the end justifies the means, huh? After all, baby's daddy out on the corner stealing, robbing, dealing, whathaveyou, only wants to support his family the best he can too...

[jamesob]

lol you guys crack me up. they will get a judgement because it was a bad warrant, not a single illegal thing in the house. the guy was sleeping after working long hours in a mine if i remember right. im not bashing the police or saying what they did was wrong, after all i was a l.e.o for a few years and know the use of force laws very well. its no longer a criminal matter on the police officers but it will now be a civil matter against the dept.

[Ron-Solo]

lol you guys crack me up. they will get a judgement because it was a bad warrant, not a single illegal thing in the house. the guy was sleeping after working long hours in a mine if i remember right. im not bashing the police or saying what they did was wrong, after all i was a l.e.o for a few years and know the use of force laws very well. its no longer a criminal matter on the police officers but it will now be a civil matter against the dept.

Just because they didnt find anything doesn't invalidate the warrant, which was part of a much bigger investigation.

[Ron-Solo]

Even if he was, you don't have the right to kill him.

Point a gun at police serving a warrant will usually get you shot.

Point a gun at me, even retired, and you will get shot. If you die, that goes with the territory.

Do stupid things, win prizes.

We have the right and the duty to use deadly force to protect ourselves and others.

[Lost.monkey]

It sounds like this former Marine may have received what was due to him.

The warrant is detailed, and there's a ton of material here to suggest he wasn't walking the line as the USMC taught him to.

The knee-jerk reaction by Oath Keepers in showing up for memorial day makes me nervous. As one poster mentioned, there are dirtbags that make it through the armed forces (we all called them that 10%).

At first, I was alarmed and outraged with everyone else. But in reading the warrant, watching the videos, I think the police were in the right. They were serving a high-risk narcotics warrant on a known offender (which I think merits SWAT involvement), and fired when threatened with deadly force.

[Werewolf1021]

Two veterans of the USMC come to mind: Lee Harvey Oswald and Charles Whitman. No one needs reminding what Oswald did. Charles Whitman was the shooter in te Texas Tower incident, killed 16, wounded 32 before a cop took him out. He had a history of amphetamine abuse.

This sainted "Marine" worked in a mine. I had several friends who used to work mines in AZ and they left because the drug use/sales was so bad.

Don't defend this guy because he was a Marine. He disgraces the uniform.

Don't forget Leonard Lake and Charles Ng.

Serial Killers who tortured and killed around 11+ people, including an infant.

[Jwood562]

Even if he was, you don't have the right to kill him.

let me guess, you are one of those people that say, "You should have shot the gun out of his hand, or shoot him in the legs"

[sawchain]

let me guess, you are one of those people that say, "You should have shot the gun out of his hand, or shoot him in the legs"

How about don't shoot him?

[IrishJoe3]

How about don't shoot him?

Sorry, anyone that points a firearm at me with what appears to be the intent to use it against my person just forfeited their life, regardless of the circumstance leading up to the encounter. Have a nice day

[jeep7081]

Sorry, anyone that points a firearm at me with what appears to be the intent to use it against my person just forfeited their life, regardless of the circumstance leading up to the encounter. Have a nice day

+1.

Also people need to remember, he raised an AR15 at the Officers on scene in the hall way. He also had stolen guns found in the house and he was an ex' Marine. In my book, justified.